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re: Nunes: Formal, foreign surveillance was used on Trump; Obama admin surveilled associates
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:33 pm to cajunangelle
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:33 pm to cajunangelle
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If it wasn't targeted at the Trump transition team and unrelated to Russia-- then why were their names shown in intel instead of American Citizen 1?
I can't wait to see how many progressives come out in support of the deep state surveillance of American citizens solely as a defense to Trump's claims.
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:33 pm to Hog on the Hill
A FISA warrant that allowed surveillance of trump or his team. Are you saying no such warrant was issued?
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:33 pm to Damone
No way Obama knew that the IRS was targeting Rs, right? 
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:34 pm to Damone
quote:It's only a clear violation of the law if the identities were unmasked by an unauthorized person.
Which also means a clear violation of law.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:36 pm to joshnorris14
"Incidental collection" is not surveillance if you're not a SIGINT target.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:39 pm to Hog on the Hill
quote:
Hog on the Hill
So you are advocating spying on US citizens for no purpose. Glad you are on record.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:39 pm to Hog on the Hill
Could Nunes be considered a "leaker" here? Is this "leaking" potential obstruction of justice?
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:40 pm to Hog on the Hill
So Trump is right like usual
How hillarious and tLeft is in melt mode to justify it
How hillarious and tLeft is in melt mode to justify it
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:40 pm to Deuces
quote:
Obama did in fact let the wiretaps happen, and that's what Trump's statement could be interpreted as for normal people.
Presidents don't "let" wiretaps happen. They are completely removed from FBI criminal investigations and aren't involved in any stage of obtaining a warrant.
quote:
A political opponent in an election was being spied on.
The FBI already confirmed there's an investigation into some people associated with the Trump campaign. If a FISA warrant was granted then a judge has agreed that the FBI has probable cause to investigate. This is a major political and legal problem for Trump.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:40 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
Nothing was leaked.
They were unmasked and leaked. That's why you know the names dumbass.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:41 pm to joshnorris14
Parts of Nunes' statement that I would like to know more about:
"Incidental collection" we've been told this would happen if Americans were communicating with foreign persons. Why is this happening? If not Russian then what foreign targets are under surveillance?
"Details with little/no apparent foreign intelligence value were widely disseminated" So the Obama administration was spreading this information all around DC?
"None of surveillance was related to Russia to the investigation of Russian activities or of the Trump team." They what was the basis for the surveillance by the intelligence community? Related back to the fact that Trump staffers were communicating with foreign persons.
Politco's story by Austin Wright LINK, states that the surveillance appeared to be legal, but not related to FBI's Russia investigation.
So how is this surveillance legal? Nunes says that he's seen intelligence reports that clearly show that the president-elect and his team were, at least monitored.
Nunes' info came from “sources who thought that we should know it.”
Obama and his staff were collecting surveillance and disseminating it all around even though they knew it had little/no apparent foreign intelligence value.
Trump's just moved a pawn in his 3-D chess match with the media and gov. establishment.
"Incidental collection" we've been told this would happen if Americans were communicating with foreign persons. Why is this happening? If not Russian then what foreign targets are under surveillance?
"Details with little/no apparent foreign intelligence value were widely disseminated" So the Obama administration was spreading this information all around DC?
"None of surveillance was related to Russia to the investigation of Russian activities or of the Trump team." They what was the basis for the surveillance by the intelligence community? Related back to the fact that Trump staffers were communicating with foreign persons.
Politco's story by Austin Wright LINK, states that the surveillance appeared to be legal, but not related to FBI's Russia investigation.
So how is this surveillance legal? Nunes says that he's seen intelligence reports that clearly show that the president-elect and his team were, at least monitored.
Nunes' info came from “sources who thought that we should know it.”
Obama and his staff were collecting surveillance and disseminating it all around even though they knew it had little/no apparent foreign intelligence value.
Trump's just moved a pawn in his 3-D chess match with the media and gov. establishment.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:41 pm to Hog on the Hill
quote:
clear violation of the law if the identities were unmasked by an unauthorized person.
So if they're authorized it's totally ok.
That's not a total abuse of power or anything.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:41 pm to VOLhalla
Your girl Hillary has to be happy attention hasn't been directed to her yet.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:42 pm to BBONDS25
quote:I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that there was. Obviously I can't know for sure one way or the other--none of us can.
A FISA warrant that allowed surveillance of trump or his team. Are you saying no such warrant was issued?
The only report of a FISA warrant being issued was the one related to the two Russian banks, and there's no way to know if that report is true. Even if true, it's a stretch to argue that the warrant was for surveillance of Trump and his team, unless you include Russian banks as his team (I doubt you would agree with that, and I don't agree either).
So no, there's no evidence of that kind of FISA warrant.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:42 pm to VOLhalla
quote:
Presidents don't "let" wiretaps happen. They are completely removed from FBI criminal investigations and aren't involved in any stage of obtaining a warrant.
FISA literally allows the President to directly order surveillance without a court order under certain circumstances. Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:43 pm to VOLhalla
So the narrative will now be that Truml was being spied on because a judge found probable cause he was a Russian operative?
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:43 pm to joshnorris14
whaaaaa?
And the monkey flips the switch...
And the monkey flips the switch...
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:45 pm to NYNolaguy1
quote:I said a page or two back that the dissemination of identities of US persons collected incidentally, where there is no intelligence value of those identities, is troubling.
So if they're authorized it's totally ok.
That's not a total abuse of power or anything.
I'm not sure what the law says about an authorized person unmasking an identity in such a case. I would guess that people who have that authority are given wide latitude in exercising their judgment, but I don't actually know. Anyone have the statute for that? I tried reading the FISA law but didn't find what I was looking for regarding this.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:46 pm to joshnorris14
Let me be the first to say "I told you so"
Nailed it yesterday
LINK
"Yes we did it, but it was incidental"
Nailed it yesterday
LINK
"Yes we did it, but it was incidental"
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:48 pm to mmcgrath
quote:I mean, what kind of cognitive dissonance does it take to say it was not leaked when clearly it was leaked illegally and in violation of the constitutional rights of the us citizens on the calls? It was in the newspapers, but it wasn't leaked. You have a disease
So dishonest. Trump's transition team was talking to people in Thailand, China, Russia, etc. They were recorded because they called people who were monitored.
Nothing was leaked.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 1:54 pm
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