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re: North Carolina Dem voting lead now under 300K

Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:01 am to
Posted by HurricaneTiger
Coral Gables, FL
Member since Jan 2014
3028 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:01 am to
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This better continue.

You can't be down 300k going into election day this year. There aren't enough votes remaining.

If the number of voters/votes is the same as 2016, then there will be at least 2 million more votes. Around 200-400 thousand being cast a day, with Republicans outnumbering Democrats by tens of thousands on each one. This is with small amounts of mail in ballots still coming in favoring Democrats.

Democrats usually outnumber Republicans. If we see Republicans outnumber Democrats in any state, I would be shocked if it wasn’t at least 3 points red.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146790 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:02 am to
If this is new registrations we are doing well. Remember that most unaffiliated were former republicans.

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Posted by St Augustine
The Pauper of the Surf
Member since Mar 2006
64222 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:03 am to
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Proud to say I was part of cutting that lead yesterday!


My wife cutting it today and I’ll cut it tomorrow.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146790 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:05 am to
If you click on MAil In boxes only for 2020 ^ 2015 there was a huge uptick in absentees. Remember they need a witness notary for absentee mail in's.

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Posted by Clemsontigers02
Member since Sep 2020
743 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:13 am to
Are we worried at all about cannibalization?
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28349 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:13 am to
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With NC, you have an interesting dynamic... there are more registered Ds than Rs, as there were in 2016 yet Trump carried the state. So Trump either overly dominated Independents or gets more D defections (ie 'old' registered democrats). Dems had 310K lead going into election day and still lost the state, so being south of that seems favorable, if all other variables hold.


I think there are a few interesting questions for which we have no answer yet: (1) Are all of the "new" Republicans (since 2016) really just "old" Democrats who traditionally voted R anyway, despite their party affiliation? If so, then party registration gains by R's are really somewhat meaningless because the number of VOTES are still the same. (2) Are the big (gross) number of Democrat early votes indicative of MORE D voters since 2016? Or is is appx the same amount of D voters from 2016, except they are just voting early this time?
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
23075 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:19 am to
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I think there are a few interesting questions for which we have no answer yet: (1) Are all of the "new" Republicans (since 2016) really just "old" Democrats who traditionally voted R anyway, despite their party affiliation? If so, then party registration gains by R's are really somewhat meaningless because the number of VOTES are still the same. (2) Are the big (gross) number of Democrat early votes indicative of MORE D voters since 2016? Or is is appx the same amount of D voters from 2016, except they are just voting early this time?


Exactly. Everyone is making a lot of assumptions based on the early numbers but nobody really knows what this will mean for Nov. 3.
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
11875 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:25 am to
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Exactly. Everyone is making a lot of assumptions based on the early numbers but nobody really knows what this will mean for Nov. 3.


And that is the sport of it all!
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72103 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:28 am to
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Or is is appx the same amount of D voters from 2016, except they are just voting early this time?
I would bet on this.
Posted by blowmeauburn
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2006
7885 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:32 am to
If you look across the board, Democrats tripped over themselves to be the first to Vote by Mail and then have trailed off ever since. Meanwhile Republicans have been showing up to Early Vote in Person.

Ask yourself, if Democrats aren't showing up to Early Vote in Person then why would they show up on Election Day? I predict that Election Day voting will be 60-40 in Republican favor at the very least.

If that's the case then any state that has Biden tracking with Hillary, he is going to lose.

This will come down to PA folks. We all know it. That's what matters.
Posted by Bunta
Member since Oct 2007
12241 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:33 am to
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I would bet on this.

Yup. I’ve been saying I think we’re seeing votes displaced from Election Day to early voting. Democrats have been pushing hard to vote early/by mail. I think their Election Day numbers are going to be lower than expected. Obviously I could be wrong, but
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56514 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:35 am to
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Granted, a lot more ballots have been cast this year


You'd think that also favors Trump.

"a lot more ballots cast" could potentially explain why a larger early voting lead this time could still be overcome.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52788 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:36 am to
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Hell, there's probably already some white people in and around Philadelphia who are wary of going to vote.


Iowa doing their best this morning. Voting locations shut down due to "coronavirus".
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
11875 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:37 am to
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Ask yourself, if Democrats aren't showing up to Early Vote in Person then why would they show up on Election Day? I predict that Election Day voting will be 60-40 in Republican favor at the very least.


And add in the fact that the Dems have demonized the gall and audacity of requiring people to vote on ED given Covid. They campaigned hard that ED voting was not safe.

I wonder if that will come back and bite them. D voters tend to be more nervous about Covid then anyone. Their leaders have told them in person voting is risky. The media is pumping the numbers as armageddon right now. Europe is shutting down.

I could be wrong, but this may really backfire on them.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72103 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:38 am to
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if Democrats aren't showing up to Early Vote in Person then why would they show up on Election Day?
Exactly.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
23075 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:47 am to
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Ask yourself, if Democrats aren't showing up to Early Vote in Person then why would they show up on Election Day?


I know a few people who are waiting for election day to vote because the lines are too long right now.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72103 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:49 am to
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I know a few people who are waiting for election day to vote because the lines are too long right now.
The lines will likely be even longer then.

That aside, you would still expect a decent sized portion to vote early relative to Election Day due to the trend of mail in and Covid concerns for Democrats.

I would expect larger in person early voting if they were going to come out in force on Election Day. We will see though.
This post was edited on 10/29/20 at 9:52 am
Posted by Bunta
Member since Oct 2007
12241 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:50 am to
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I know a few people who are waiting for election day to vote because the lines are too long right now.


Are they gonna say frick it when the line is just as long or longer?
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
23075 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:52 am to
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The lines will likely be even longer then.



Typically, yeah. Maybe not this year. That's what they are betting on at least.

I mean, look at Texas, NC, GA and Florida. Texas has almost surpassed it's entire 2016 turnout already (94%), NC & GA are in the 80s, Florida is near 80%.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39484 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:55 am to
Forbes published a poll stating that 60% of dems plan to vote early, mainly because the media has them scared shitless of covid. Only 30% or republicans polled responded similarly. We'll almost certainly see an uptick in voters, but we do virtually every cycle. Dems are predominantly shifting voter volume in this election.

If Trump is overperforming 16 in these early voting metrics, Biden supporters should be very worried.
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