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re: Nordstream destroyed overnight (seismic blasts, leaks, and Kremlin says Sabotage)

Posted on 9/27/22 at 10:57 am to
Posted by YankeeBama
Milwaukee
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 10:57 am to
Posted by YankeeBama
Milwaukee
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 11:19 am to
Submarine is suspected.

UK, US, and Russia all have a submarine presence in the Baltic
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37888 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 11:22 am to
quote:

Ze Germans had to have a causus belli to fight Russia.

They have no desire for that. Germany’s armed forces are a weak, pathetic disaster.
Posted by VolcanicTiger
Member since Apr 2022
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 11:23 am to
Is there any more symbolic image of wise Americans being ignorantly mocked by smug Europeans? They should have to watch this every morning 1984-style for 15 minutes every morning, supervised.

This post was edited on 9/27/22 at 3:39 pm
Posted by biscuitsngravy
Tejas, north America
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 11:27 am to
ukraine, bbc and others reporting russians sabotaged to shut off gas to europe for years (if not permanently).

the theory is that after china / india applied pressure during sco summit, russians decided to go full court press; annex, shut off gas, pump 300,00 soldiers into the annexed areas, threaten west to stop supplying further weapons etc etc.

Posted by ImaObserver
Member since Aug 2019
2509 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 11:32 am to
Sabotage indeed!
In all likelihood committed buy RUSSIA as a covert attack on European nations to punish them for supporting Ukraine. It is no skin off of Russia's nose to vent off excess gas capacity and watch Europe cry. They are making a point and using plausible deniability for themselves while at the same time casting aspersions at others such as the babbling idiot Demoncrat in the White House.
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 11:33 am to
Somebody let the Kremlin know there's a war going on so they can stop whining.
Posted by YankeeBama
Milwaukee
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 11:40 am to
New pipeline announced


How did they know Russia would sabotage itself? This theory doesn’t stand up to scrutiny .
Posted by YankeeBama
Milwaukee
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 11:46 am to


Both paths destroyed
Posted by ninthward
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 11:46 am to
so from my understanding, we monitor just about every russian sub. it is rare we ever lose track of one, it happens, but our technology is so advanced that losing a russian sub is rare. also the only navy truly capable of silent activity is the US. I'm not sure even Britain has subs as quiet as ours.
Posted by YankeeBama
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 11:47 am to
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so from my understanding, we monitor just about every russian sub. it is rare we ever lose track of one, it happens, but our technology is so advanced that losing a russian sub is rare. also the only navy truly capable of silent activity is the US. I'm not sure even Britain has subs as quiet as ours.


I’m now about 75% sure it was us or our allies
Posted by YankeeBama
Milwaukee
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 11:51 am to
quote:

ukraine, bbc and others reporting russians sabotaged to shut off gas to europe for years (if not permanently). the theory is that after china / india applied pressure during sco summit, russians decided to go full court press; annex, shut off gas, pump 300,00 soldiers into the annexed areas, threaten west to stop supplying further weapons etc etc.


They control the supply. They aren’t under any obligation to supply. Why would they blast off both arms of the pipeline at three points? Makes zero sense. This was not Russia.
Posted by Boomdaddy65201
BoCoMo
Member since Mar 2020
4665 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 11:59 am to
It was the US and if it wasn’t us, I don’t believe the Europeans nor the world will believe otherwise…and why should they?

quote:

A month ago, the Western propaganda/press would have had us believing that Russia was dropping missiles on its own troops at that nuclear plant. The lies that are spread are fantastic and ridiculous. I expect to see a future historian report that Sherman's March to the Sea was a Confederate plot to kill slaves.


The Anglo-American Axis Benefits From The Ecological Terrorist Attack In The Baltic Sea
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 12:00 pm to
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In all likelihood committed buy RUSSIA as a covert attack on European nations to punish them for supporting Ukraine. It is no skin off of Russia's nose to vent off excess gas capacity and watch Europe cry.


Yep. And because dumbass threatened to do it they have the perfect cover to blame the US. By it being an attack on the pipeline Russia get to cut them off with no blame.

Crippling the N2 only hurts Germany.
This post was edited on 9/27/22 at 12:02 pm
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 12:02 pm to
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I don’t believe the Europeans nor the world will believe otherwise…and why should they?


So?
Posted by TigerAxeOK
In the woods and by the waters.
Member since Dec 2016
38530 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 12:03 pm to
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Seal team doing work.

Likely green ops, so probably see eye A.
Posted by GnashRebel
Member since May 2015
8936 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 12:04 pm to
Russians needed that money in a big way
Posted by Schleynole
Member since Sep 2022
1555 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 12:05 pm to
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Sabotage indeed!
In all likelihood committed buy RUSSIA


They could simply cut off the line and still have a bargaining chip. Their position is weaker without the pipeline, it makes little to no sense for them to sabotage themselves. My guess is the US, the commander and chief has already spoke about this very thing and said we would do it.
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
22875 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 12:07 pm to
pretty sure there is a nato naval exercise in N Atlantic currently
Posted by YankeeBama
Milwaukee
Member since Sep 2017
4804 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 12:09 pm to
quote:

They could simply cut off the line and still have a bargaining chip. Their position is weaker without the pipeline, it makes little to no sense for them to sabotage themselves. My guess is the US, the commander and chief has already spoke about this very thing and said we would do it.


Correct
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