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NFL and using cfb as a farm system
Posted on 12/7/18 at 11:21 am
Posted on 12/7/18 at 11:21 am
The debate about paying collegiate athletes is misguided IMO. Publically funded universities should not be a farm system for pro sports. The NFL benefits from all kind of tax breaks, direct federal funding, and copyright protections from the federal and local governments.
The restriction on players having to have 3 years out of HS is BS. Its a way for the NFL to weasel out of having a development/minor league. This issue is more complex than big government vs small government politics as one could argue what we see with the NFL right now is the government subsidizing an industry that doesnt need it. The advantages the NFL has stifles out competition all with the help of Uncle Sam. Crony Capitalism 101
I love great players coming to Bama to play...but I wont love the sport if cfb becomes a semi-pro league(cue paying players jokes).
I think its time for the taxpayer to stop subsidizing the NFL at least at the federal level. I do think its BS that a simple majority vote can raise your taxes to fund a stadium for an NFL team. You should have federal protections that allow you to opt out of paying extra local tax to fund that if you dont wish to.
The restriction on players having to have 3 years out of HS is BS. Its a way for the NFL to weasel out of having a development/minor league. This issue is more complex than big government vs small government politics as one could argue what we see with the NFL right now is the government subsidizing an industry that doesnt need it. The advantages the NFL has stifles out competition all with the help of Uncle Sam. Crony Capitalism 101
I love great players coming to Bama to play...but I wont love the sport if cfb becomes a semi-pro league(cue paying players jokes).
I think its time for the taxpayer to stop subsidizing the NFL at least at the federal level. I do think its BS that a simple majority vote can raise your taxes to fund a stadium for an NFL team. You should have federal protections that allow you to opt out of paying extra local tax to fund that if you dont wish to.
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Posted on 12/7/18 at 11:25 am to bamafan1001
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The restriction on players having to have 3 years out of HS is BS. Its a way for the NFL to weasel out of having a development/minor league.
I wouldn't mind the NFL being on the hook for repaying a University for developing the player. There has got to be a way to calculate room, board, equipment, facilities, coach's pay, etc for each player. The NFL team that drafts or picks up the player first is on the hook.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 11:25 am to bamafan1001
I 100% am against paying college athletes a salary. Their salary is getting free tuition, room and board, perks, etc. on the taxpayer's dollar.
Especially since many won't even graduate and will quit school early to join NFL if they get drafted.
Especially since many won't even graduate and will quit school early to join NFL if they get drafted.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 11:28 am to bamafan1001
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I think its time for the taxpayer to stop subsidizing the NFL at least at the federal level.
I agree. I also don't think taxpayers should fund stadiums owned by billionaires. European soccer clubs fund their own stadiums, and American teams should do the same.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 11:31 am to bamafan1001
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I love great players coming to Bama to play...but I wont love the sport if cfb becomes a semi-pro league(cue paying players jokes).
Same here.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 11:33 am to CoachChappy
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I wouldn't mind the NFL being on the hook for repaying a University for developing the player. There has got to be a way to calculate room, board, equipment, facilities, coach's pay, etc for each player. The NFL team that drafts or picks up the player first is on the hook.
This is a great idea.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 11:33 am to bamafan1001
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I think its time for the taxpayer to stop subsidizing the NFL at least at the federal level.
Heck I think it is time the REC quit "subsidizing" Bama players at the collegiate level.
I think its time for the taxpayer to stop subsidizing the NFL at least at the federal level.
Heck I think it is time the REC quit "subsidizing" Bama players at the collegiate level.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 11:34 am to bamafan1001
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This post was edited on 5/21/20 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 12/7/18 at 11:37 am to bamafan1001
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The restriction on players having to have 3 years out of HS is BS. Its a way for the NFL to weasel out of having a development/minor league.
Playing college ball develops skills, fundamentals, teamwork, etc...
Plus, college football is awesome for a multitude of reasons almost all of which stem from it being a collegiate unpaid activity instead of a semi-pro minor league football league. The spirit of the team is different for college kids playing for their school and paid athletes in a profession.
And it makes sure atleast they get some kind of education. It's one of the few things I like about the NFL. I really don't want to watch an NFL full of 18 year old rookies right out of Highschool.
Look at the average NFL player VS the average NBA player. And worse look at the faces of the NBA VS the NFL. NBA players tend to me immature uneducated moronic arse clowns.
This post was edited on 12/7/18 at 11:42 am
Posted on 12/7/18 at 11:38 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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I love great players coming to Bama to play...but I wont love the sport if cfb becomes a semi-pro league(cue paying players jokes).
Same here.
If im being completely honest, my interest in cfb is not relative to the skill of the players. If all the best HS players went immediately to the NFL and cfb was playing with 225 lb linemen like the 50s and 60s...id still love it.
Another thing is that some young men are just not fit for college...but gifted physically enough to play a sport professionally. They should have that chance. Right now that kid just goes to a school to play football and pretend to be a student with an advisor sending him to the easiest classes he can take to be eligible and probably while writing all his papers.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 11:47 am to Nguyener
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Playing college ball develops skills, fundamentals, teamwork, etc.
Absolutely. Those skills can be developed while playing professionally as well, especially if done in a development type league where players can focus all their energy on becoming better football players. If it doesnt work out...use that money you earned to go to school later.
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And it makes sure atleast they get some kind of education. It's one of the few things I like about the NFL. I really don't want to watch an NFL full of 18 year old rookies right out of Highschool.
You most likely wouldnt be seeing anything like that on a wide scale. The NFL would probably have to have a development league for players under 21.
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Look at the average NFL player VS the average NBA player. And worse look at the faces of the NBA VS the NFL. NBA players tend to me immature uneducated moronic arse clowns.
I hate to be the one to defend the NBA because I really dont give a rats arse about pro basketball...but the pros in the NBA seem at least as or more professional than NFL players. Lebron, Kobe, Curry, Durant etc. I may not personally like these guys but they are definitely professionals
Posted on 12/7/18 at 12:04 pm to CoachChappy
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I wouldn't mind the NFL being on the hook for repaying a University for developing the player. There has got to be a way to calculate room, board, equipment, facilities, coach's pay, etc for each player. The NFL team that drafts or picks up the player first is on the hook.
The universities are making a ton of money in the status quo.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 12:08 pm to moneyg
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The universities are making a ton of money in the status quo.
Indeed, the NCAA is all about the $$$$$$$. The Penn St. debacle should be evidence #1.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 12:13 pm to Parmen
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I 100% am against paying college athletes a salary. Their salary is getting free tuition, room and board, perks, etc. on the taxpayer's dollar.
I think athletes should be paid on their image. They should have allocated money from jersey sales and be able to make money off social media and other online sources.
Mainly because all the kids that bust their asses for the team and don’t make it to the NFL miss the window of time to profit off their image. That money could set them up for life instead of just lining the NCAA’s pockets.
ETA: also to ensure players graduate and stay engaged in school, make the majority of the money untouchable (in a low risk investment trust) until they graduate.
This post was edited on 12/7/18 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 12/7/18 at 12:21 pm to bamafan1001
I don’t think athletics should be funded by university’s at all. Why does a place of higher learning spend valuable funding on a basketball or football team? We are the only place in the world setup this way and for good reason, it makes no sense. What if our hospitals all had football teams or something equally absurd, and we just chalked it up to that’s the way it is so healthcare costs more because we want to be entertained too. Why do it in a place meant for education?
Posted on 12/7/18 at 12:21 pm to CoachChappy
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I wouldn't mind the NFL being on the hook for repaying a University for developing the player. There has got to be a way to calculate room, board, equipment, facilities, coach's pay, etc for each player. The NFL team that drafts or picks up the player first is on the hook.
If you're referring to players that leave early without using up all their eligibility in college, I agree with you. I've been saying this for years. Now if they get their degree in three years then yeah, they're draftable without recourse.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 12:26 pm to Parmen
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I 100% am against paying college athletes a salary
It would be a lawyer's dream. Colleges start paying FB players a stipend beyond the current room, board, tuition.
The very next day women's golf team files suit. It would not end well.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 12:27 pm to bamafan1001
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Publically funded universities should not be a farm system for pro sports.
Too late
Posted on 12/7/18 at 12:32 pm to bamafan1001
The is value of these athletes come from the interest of fans.
The fans, are fans of schools competing.
These schools compete under the veil of amateurism.
What would happen if the NFL created a minor league and said, "if you compete in the NCAA and not our minor league, you're ineligible from the NFL for life".
Let's say that 90% of the 4 and 5 star athletes signed minor league deals as a result.
Would fans stop going to college football games and head to the minors? No. People aren't going to see miraculous displays of athlecism and the game for the games sake. They are going to watch their school. This hypothetical minor league would be no better than minor league baseball, and the athletes would make pennies.
The fans, are fans of schools competing.
These schools compete under the veil of amateurism.
What would happen if the NFL created a minor league and said, "if you compete in the NCAA and not our minor league, you're ineligible from the NFL for life".
Let's say that 90% of the 4 and 5 star athletes signed minor league deals as a result.
Would fans stop going to college football games and head to the minors? No. People aren't going to see miraculous displays of athlecism and the game for the games sake. They are going to watch their school. This hypothetical minor league would be no better than minor league baseball, and the athletes would make pennies.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 12:36 pm to bamafan1001
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I do think its BS that a simple majority vote can raise your taxes to fund a stadium for an NFL team.
If the democratic system works right then the elected officials represent the people. You try telling someone you voted in favor of not keeping their team there and see how long you last in office.
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