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Newly revealed 2016 Obama comments on Trump. Released via FOIA.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 10/3/22 at 4:46 pm
This may cause a little rustling on the left.
Obama's comments on Trump after Trump is elected:
LINK
My biggest take away besides Obama having an opinion on Trump counter to the media narrative, man Obama is long winded.
Obama's comments on Trump after Trump is elected:
quote:
Q So, I’ve been sort of trying to figure out how pessimistic you are.
THE PRESIDENT: My actual views are not wildly far off from what I’ve said publicly. I’ve tempered my language and tried to be diplomatic about it. I am a genuine optimist in the sense that, number one, I think it’s important for us not to ignore the multiple contingencies that resulted in Trump being elected and not somehow suggest that the country is invariably racist, misogynist, what have you.
And the fact of the matter is, setting aside that Hillary Clinton got the substantially bigger share of the vote, I think it’s fair to say that a whole series of different things happening — how the email thing unfolded, and sort of the chain from Bill Clinton getting on that plane, to Comey making an announcement.
At a bunch of different junctures, people could have made different decisions that would have resulted in it playing differently. I think the Russian leaks, how that played out, how all this stuff was reported — I mean, I’m just being honest with you, and many of you share this view. You guys weren’t necessarily the culprits, but how that played out.
Some failures of polling and analytics leading a leading Democratic candidate never to appear in Michigan or Wisconsin, or show up in a union hall, right? I mean, there’s just a bunch of stuff that could have happened in which we wouldn’t be having this particular conversation.
So, A, I think it’s important not to over-interpret where the minds of the American people are at.
His interactions with me (Trump) are very different than they are with the public, or, for that matter, interactions with Barack Obama, the distant figure. He’s very polite to me, and has not stopped being so.
I think where he sees a vulnerability he goes after it and he takes advantage of it.
And the fact of the matter is that the media is not credible in the public eye right now.
You have a bigger problem with a breakdown in institutional credibility that he exploits, at least for his base, and is sufficient for his purposes.
Which means that — the one piece of advice I’d give this table is: Focus. I think if you’re jumping after every insult or terrible thing or bit of rudeness that he’s doing and just chasing that, I think there’s a little bit of a three-card Monte there that you have to be careful about.
I think you have to focus on a couple of things that are really important and just stay on them and drive them home.
And that’s hard to do in this news environment, and it’s hard to do with somebody who, I think, purposely generates outrage both to stir up his base but also to distract and to — so you just have to stay focused and unintimidated, because that’s how you confront, I think, a certain personality type.
But in terms of the world — look, rather than pick at one or two different things — number one, I don’t think he’s particularly isolationist — or I don’t think he’s particularly interventionist.
I’m less worried than some that he initiates a war. I think that he could stumble into stuff just due to a lack of an infrastructure and sort of a coherent vision.
But I think his basic view — his formative view of foreign policy is shaped by his interactions with Malaysian developers and Saudi princes, and I think his view is, I’m going to go around the world making deals and maybe suing people. (Laughter.) But it’s not, let me launch big wars that tie me up. And that’s not what his base is looking from him anyway.
I mean, it is not true that he initially opposed the war in Iraq. It is true that during the campaign he was not projecting a hawkish foreign policy, other than bombing the heck out of terrorists. And we’ll see what that means, but I don’t think he’s looking to get into these big foreign adventures.
LINK
My biggest take away besides Obama having an opinion on Trump counter to the media narrative, man Obama is long winded.
This post was edited on 10/3/22 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 10/3/22 at 4:48 pm to GumboPot
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Obama is long winded
of course, he's a narcissist and they love the sound of their own voices and believe the world should sit at their feet eagerly anticipating every syllable he utters
Posted on 10/3/22 at 4:48 pm to GumboPot
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Which means that — the one piece of advice I’d give this table is: Focus. I think if you’re jumping after every insult or terrible thing or bit of rudeness that he’s doing and just chasing that, I think there’s a little bit of a three-card Monte there that you have to be careful about.
He was right about this.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 4:50 pm to GumboPot
Say what you want about Barry, one thing he's not is an idiot. He and Bill both saw the problems and disconnects.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 4:51 pm to GumboPot
I don’t think he was very far off on most of that.
This post was edited on 10/3/22 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 10/3/22 at 4:53 pm to boosiebadazz
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I don’t think he was very far off on most of that.
I agree.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 5:02 pm to GumboPot
But Trump was going to start ww3
Posted on 10/3/22 at 5:02 pm to GumboPot
quote:
And the fact of the matter is that the media is not credible in the public eye right now.
This was 2016
Now do 2022
Posted on 10/3/22 at 5:04 pm to Ag Zwin
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Say what you want about Barry, one thing he's not is an idiot. He and Bill both saw the problems and disconnects.
Yes, and Joe is just a clueless, unattached, moron.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 5:11 pm to dgnx6
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But Trump was going to start ww3
Odd, I thought it was The Hunger Games from what I was told!
Posted on 10/3/22 at 5:13 pm to Rufus T Firefly
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he's a narcissist and they love the sound of their own voices
I have always thought that all Presidents are narcissists to some degree. Some way more than others. I think it's a requirement to want the job in the first place.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 5:16 pm to Crimson1st
Now let's do what Barry said about Joe. "Never underestimate Joe's ability to frick shite up".
Posted on 10/3/22 at 5:20 pm to Auburn80
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I have always thought that all Presidents are narcissists to some degree. Some way more than others. I think it's a requirement to want the job in the first place.
All politicians* are narcissists
FTFY
This post was edited on 10/3/22 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 10/3/22 at 5:25 pm to GumboPot
OMG Barry, get Putins cock out of your mouth!!!
reeeeeheeeeeee
reeeeeheeeeeee
Posted on 10/3/22 at 5:29 pm to GumboPot
Sure does say a lot without saying much of substance.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 5:31 pm to GumboPot
quote:
setting aside that Hillary Clinton got the substantially bigger share of the vote
There you have it
Posted on 10/3/22 at 7:58 pm to GumboPot
It’s honestly a pretty objective viewpoint from Obama.
It’s bad the left has gotten so insane that Obama looks rational and middle of the road
It’s bad the left has gotten so insane that Obama looks rational and middle of the road
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:00 pm to Auburn80
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have always thought that all Presidents are narcissists to some degree. Some way more than others. I think it's a requirement to want the job in the first place.
Politicians in general. Or really any top position of power, private or public sector. Even those who are honest and do a good job still probably have a level of narcissism. It doesn’t have to be inherently evil
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:02 pm to GumboPot
A lot of that is surprising.
I sense that Obama - who, ignoring everything else about him is an amazing campaigner - saw both Hilary and Joe's shitshows for what they were and had to appreciate Trump for how well he did his.
I sense that Obama - who, ignoring everything else about him is an amazing campaigner - saw both Hilary and Joe's shitshows for what they were and had to appreciate Trump for how well he did his.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:03 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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Sure does say a lot without saying much of substance.
I thought there was a lot of substance in those remarks. What he implied is that he does not think Trump is a radical bomb-thrower.
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