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Posted on 1/5/19 at 3:07 am to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139019 posts
Posted on 1/5/19 at 3:07 am to
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Trump could have gotten 25 billion
That is an absolute lie. There was never $25 million in funding. Nowhere close. In fact, it is not clear if there was even 1¢ of that $25M actually in play. The government has a category "approved, not funded." The $25 million fell into that category. It was never funded. Don't be so gullible.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
17244 posts
Posted on 1/5/19 at 4:21 am to
By Seung Min Kim March 22, 2018
President Trump has long promoted and promised a “big, beautiful wall” along the southern border — a pledge he made at the start of his presidential campaign that helped fuel his unlikely rise to the White House.

On Wednesday, Trump lost his best chance yet to secure funding for that promise and he won’t get another one for a long time.

Despite a last-minute flurry of offers between the administration and congressional leadership, the massive spending bill finalized Wednesday includes no major boost for a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border and no protections for “dreamers” — young undocumented immigrants whom Trump once said he would treat “with heart.”

In the $1.3 trillion spending bill, Trump will secure about $1.6 billion in funding for barriers along the border, which White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders touted as a win but is nonetheless far short of the $25 billion the administration had sought for Trump’s wall construction.

Democrats were prepared to give Trump the funding he wanted despite their stiff opposition to a wall, but Trump wasn’t willing to compromise more on the fate of dreamers, leaving it unlikely either issue will be addressed anytime soon.

“He would’ve actually fulfilled one of his goals, even though I abhor that goal,” Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) said of Trump. “He would have solved a major immigration question that’s going to tug at his administration moving in the days ahead.”

SNIP

But Democrats rebuffed the offer, declining to agree to any temporary extension of DACA permits for only the current program enrollees. Democratic leadership countered with a plan to pair the $25 billion in border wall cash and a pathway to citizenship for a broader dreamer population of about 1.8 million immigrants.

The administration rejected that approach, too. Trump was willing to accept a pathway to citizenship for the expansive pool of dreamers if he secured other significant immigration changes, not solely for the wall, one senior White House official said.

SNIP

“President Trump had an opportunity to deliver on two promises. One, build the wall. Two, to sign a ‘bill of love’ for dreamers. His desire to slash legal immigration and increase immigration enforcement makes delivering on these promises impossible,” said Ali Noorani, the executive director of the National Immigration Forum. “To put it another way: Trump had two birds in hand; now he’s got nothing.”

The immigration stalemate in Washington has languished for at least a generation, yet Trump’s decision to wind down DACA offered perhaps the best chance in years for lawmakers to clinch an agreement. The GOP’s thumping in the 2012 presidential elections by Latino voters spurred the Senate to pass a sweeping immigration overhaul in 2013, but that bill was ignored by the House.

Democrats have undergone their own evolution when it comes to Trump’s prized wall. After mocking it for the better part of Trump’s presidential campaign and his first year in office, congressional Democrats recently begrudgingly endorsed a massive infusion of cash for the proposal.

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But when the legislation was ultimately released, there would be no dreamer protections, no dramatic boost in wall funding and no major changes to immigration policy. It would be unclear the next time Trump would get a shot at fulfilling a campaign pledge.

“Trump blew it; he got greedy and now he probably will not get his wall,” said Kevin Appleby, senior director of international migration policy at the Center for Migration Studies. “Thank goodness.”

LINK

Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139019 posts
Posted on 1/5/19 at 5:05 am to
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Democrats were prepared to give Trump the funding he wanted despite their stiff opposition to a wall, but Trump wasn’t willing to compromise more on the fate of dreamers, leaving it unlikely either issue will be addressed anytime soon.
That is a lie. Sorry, and it is an audacious article, even for the Amazon Post.

Think about it.

The proposal was citizenship for Dreamers.
Let's repeat that ... the proposal was citizenship for Dreamers.
One more time ... the proposal was citizenship for Dreamers.

Yet the TDS here was so strong that the Senior Director of international migration policy at the Center for Migration Studies said "Thank Goodness" when Dreamers did not get citizenship.
Posted by notslim99
City of Bossier City
Member since Feb 2005
4549 posts
Posted on 1/5/19 at 5:09 am to
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Time to get a real job baw


Yeah, controlling air traffic is straight up easy! You’re such a clever girl!
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139019 posts
Posted on 1/5/19 at 5:29 am to
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controlling air traffic is straight up easy!


It's amazing how easy "the other guy's job" always is, and how much he/she is overpaid to do it.
Posted by Jeff Boomhauer
Arlen, TX
Member since Jun 2016
3601 posts
Posted on 1/5/19 at 6:42 am to
quote:

But Democrats rebuffed the offer, declining to agree to any temporary extension of DACA permits for only the current program enrollees. Democratic leadership countered with a plan to pair the $25 billion in border wall cash and a pathway to citizenship for a broader dreamer population of about 1.8 million immigrants.

The administration rejected that approach, too.


So democrats are against a temporary extension of their pet project, DACA, at the current dreamer population, yet democrats say Trump is "unhinged" because he won't accept a temporary extension of another CR...

Why didn't obama give them a pathway to citizenship? How can democrats broaden the dreamers? Seems they were either brought here as infants or they weren't. Why would it need to be broadened? Is it because democrats, including every one of them running in 2020, weren't willing to stick their neck out for them?
Posted by Meauxjeaux
102836 posts including my alters
Member since Jun 2005
46958 posts
Posted on 1/5/19 at 7:27 am to
Need guidance?

Chill out. IRS doesn’t even start processing refunds till Jan 29th.

There’s your guidance.
Posted by conservativewifeymom
Mid Atlantic
Member since Oct 2012
14115 posts
Posted on 1/5/19 at 7:43 am to
Root for your children's future and for our country's sovereignty. Root for less trash over the borders and more highly skilled legal immigrants who can push this country forward rather than drag it backwards.

Economize as much as you can, knowing that your emptier coffers will be replenished once the situation ends.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
19987 posts
Posted on 1/5/19 at 7:56 am to
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Trump could have gotten 25 billion (instead of the five he is asking for now) for the wall 11 months ago,

He kept adding things to his demand list until people stopped negotiating with him.

I am not even so sure he wants the wall, I think he wants there to be no wall so he owns that "issue".



I cry bullshite. He had a five point plan from the outset and they came back with...we will give you the 25 billion if you make Mexico the 51st state, give them all a monthly stipend, and make spanish the official language of the US. Im being facetious, but the offer they came back with was total bullshite and the talking heads ran with this "he had it" ever since.

Should have read the entire thread before responding, NC Im beginning to think you may be my brother from a different mother....
This post was edited on 1/5/19 at 8:01 am
Posted by notslim99
City of Bossier City
Member since Feb 2005
4549 posts
Posted on 1/5/19 at 9:14 am to
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Chill out. IRS doesn’t even start processing refunds till Jan 29th


Considering I always owe more taxes because the gubment thinks I’m rich, that’s not a concern.
Posted by notslim99
City of Bossier City
Member since Feb 2005
4549 posts
Posted on 1/5/19 at 9:17 am to
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Root for your children's future and for our country's sovereignty. Root for less trash over the borders and more highly skilled legal immigrants who can push this country forward rather than drag it backwards. Economize as much as you can, knowing that your emptier coffers will be replenished once the situation ends.


Best perspective yet. This situation is one reason to always have some savings.
Posted by BobBoucher
Member since Jan 2008
18756 posts
Posted on 1/5/19 at 9:34 am to
quote:

Yeah, controlling air traffic is straight up easy!


I could never have a job that couldn’t be done with a hangover.

Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 1/5/19 at 10:52 am to
quote:

you could be looking at a very protracted process.


call rush.
He's in charge of trump now.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 1/5/19 at 11:01 am to
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I cry bullshitee. He had a five point plan from the outset 


link and copy and paste

He had 5 point Syria plan.
Did not happen
5 point tax plan. He made out.







Posted by MorningWood
On the coast of North Mexico
Member since May 2009
2789 posts
Posted on 1/5/19 at 11:44 am to
With the 300k+ jobs created last quarter you should get off the government tit and find a private sector job. Never have to worry about government shutdowns again.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 1/5/19 at 12:20 pm to
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Why does trump have to fold and not democrats?


Democrats aren't making any demands - Trump is.

Trump wants something new that the Democrats and a majority of the country do not - what will he give up in exchange for his new wall?
Posted by notslim99
City of Bossier City
Member since Feb 2005
4549 posts
Posted on 1/5/19 at 4:27 pm to
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With the 300k+ jobs created last quarter you should get off the government tit and find a private sector job. Never have to worry about government shutdowns again.


Say it with me..... Air. Traffic. Control. Not a lot in the private sector except for a few low level towers. Any other brilliant suggestions?
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
32183 posts
Posted on 1/5/19 at 5:39 pm to
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notslim99


here is what I would do if I were you

I would open an account with a local credit union (if you do not already have one)

I would sit down with the bank manager and explain the situation

You are very likely going to be able to get a decent loan with low rates (especially if your credit score is over 640 - over 680 or 700 and a loan is a lock, likely for less than 6% or 7%)

If you cannot work something out at a local credit union; check your options on Credit Karma (or some other such site)

I know it is not a perfect solution, but you are not without options

your back pay is guaranteed, so SOMEONE will loan you what you need at a reasonable rate

I would also be negotiating with my creditors and utilities - some may already have plans in place to help people like you

good luck brother

Posted by keks tadpole
Yellow Leaf Creek
Member since Feb 2017
8689 posts
Posted on 1/5/19 at 5:48 pm to
Go paint houses or do some handy man work like the rest of us did back in 2008.
Posted by GoldenGuy
Member since Oct 2015
12782 posts
Posted on 1/5/19 at 6:57 pm to
quote:

In the event of a government shutdown in the USA, Air Traffic Control continues to operate as an “essential service.” Operational personnel (controllers, supervisors) continue to work, but other personnel (support staff) are usually furloughed. Training is usually suspended. At facilities where the staffing will support it, some controllers may receive a furlough day on a rotating basis, such as one day every two weeks


You aren’t essential personnel. Sit the frick down.
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