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re: NATO Chief Rutte: "Europe cant defend itself without the USA"
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:53 pm to Oreo4689
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:53 pm to Oreo4689
America subsidizes the entire European way of life. Everything from cheap drugs to international commerce and defense are carried on the backs of American taxpayers.
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Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:53 pm to Oreo4689
This is 10,000% True. All you have to do is ask where NATO Countries get their weapons from?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:56 pm to Strannix
Russia wouldn't have been able to do any of that without lend/lease and the USA arming them. We supplied the machines and they supplied the men.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:08 pm to Oreo4689
I disagree with him. We don't need each other. They need us. There's a difference
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:13 pm to beerJeep
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Meh comparable we did about 10% and the Russian road grader/meat grinder did 90%. The forces they committed on JUST the drive on Berlin were larger than the entire German force used in Barbarossa. The Russians were stacked in the infantry, artillery, armor category and not a terrible air support arm. We would have been hard pressed to beat them in a conventional war. Luckily we had the bomb.
Take away lend lease in the early war and Russia collapses.
More importantly, and all these Soviet-focused revisionists seem to forget this, the U.S. was leading the fight in another theater against the other mega Axis military where the Soviets were entirely absent. We had help from a fractured (but big) Chinese native force, various local insurgencies (like in Vietnam and the Philippines), the Australians, and remnants of the British military to help, but it was an American-led effort in the Indo-Pacific from December 1941 onward.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:20 pm to SoDakHawk
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We supplied the machines and they supplied the men.
Trucks and food and a huge amount of war materal obviously. Armor not much , they had good tanks and a lot of them. They did the fighting is what I was saying.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:24 pm to Oreo4689
That’s great news! Give us our money back!
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:26 pm to Wtodd
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History says otherwise
Which century are you discussing?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:32 pm to Wtodd
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History says otherwise
I do know how to respond to this because it would appear that you're serious but there's no way this is anything but a hilarious troll.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:48 pm to ClientNumber9
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If that's true, that's on them. They've had 60 years to develop their militaries.
What if Russia decided to invade Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania simultaneously and massed troops on the Polish border. We sit on our hands? As Rutte said, keep on dreaming.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:48 pm to Powerman
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This is something Americans get completely wrong. We played a very important role in winning the war. To pretend that we could have done it without the soviets is a delusional idea at best.
Well, in that aspect I have to agree- Russia won WWII with an assist to U.S. troops and supplies. But I always wonder if Hitler wasn't foolish enough to declare war on the U.S., could Germany have eventually forced Russia into a stalemate with Russia ceding territory. Americans will never understand the true horror and brutality of the war on the Eastern Front...
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:50 pm to Oreo4689
We know.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:51 pm to Wtodd
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History says otherwise
History?
*laughs in Mongolian *
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:52 pm to finchmeister08
Correct, the greatest mushroom stamps in history.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:55 pm to Oreo4689
They can (or could in reasonably short order allowing time to build up).
They choose not to.
They choose not to.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 4:58 pm to Oreo4689
Proven by WWI and WWII. If not for U.S. intervention Europe would all be speaking German.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 5:12 pm to Powerman
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This is something Americans get completely wrong. We played a very important role in winning the war. To pretend that we could have done it without the soviets is a delusional idea at best.
gotta ally with the commie regime who does not care about its own people to provide the bodies for the meatgrinder.
The old USSR and the current Democrat party have the same guiding principles.
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