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re: National Archives Quietly Releases Trove Of JFK Assassination Records
Posted on 7/4/23 at 8:43 am to Indefatigable
Posted on 7/4/23 at 8:43 am to Indefatigable
My question is not if Oswald did it, but how he did it. A guy was well known to the CIA just happens to be the shooter?? Then he gets assassinated by another guy that is a confirmed CIA asset??? Oswald may have been the lone gunman, but he didn’t “act alone.”
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Posted on 7/4/23 at 8:47 am to Tupelo
quote:If he was such an expert marksman, how do you explain the first shot that missed and skipped off the pavement? An expert marksman would not have missed a target at 80 yards.
Your description of Oswald as an average at best marksman isn't accurate.
Quotes from an examination of Oswald's Marine marksman tests as documented in the Warren Commission Report:
"A closer examination of Oswald's 200 yard rapid fire result shows he hit 8/10 bullseyes and scored 48 out of 50. An expert rating on this test would have required a minimum score of 44 points (44 points x 5 tests = 220 points required). On his next test, 300 yards in rapid fire, Oswald hit 7/10 bullseyes scoring 46 out of 50. Again an expert rating on this test would have required a result of 44. So in both tests that most closely matched the conditions in the Kennedy assassination for rapid fire shooting Oswald scored above an expert level. Additionally on his third test from 500 yards firing slowly, Oswald scored 46 out of a possible 50: again shooting above an expert level."
Posted on 7/4/23 at 10:23 am to HubbaBubba
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If he was such an expert marksman, how do you explain the first shot that missed and skipped off the pavement? An expert marksman would not have missed a target at 80 yards.
Sam Beckett jumped out of him and into the Secret Service agent just before the first shot.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 11:18 am to Indefatigable
You are wrong because you are ignoring evidence.
Read Jim Marrs book, Crossfire. Then you will have all available data with minimal work on your part. The truth is crazier than any story we’ve been told. Happy 4th.
Read Jim Marrs book, Crossfire. Then you will have all available data with minimal work on your part. The truth is crazier than any story we’ve been told. Happy 4th.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 11:38 am to michael corleone
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No one can can explain why a CIA operative had contact with LHO for a year and put him in the building where the shooting took place.
Considering his defection to Russia it would be more surprising it they weren't keeping tabs on him.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 11:45 am to ChineseBandit58
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any answer that does not start with LBJ is incorrect.
Prescott Bush has to be a close second
This post was edited on 7/4/23 at 11:47 am
Posted on 7/4/23 at 11:46 am to shinerfan
Considering his defection to Russia it would be more surprising it they weren't keeping tabs on him.
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He really wasn’t a defector . The us govt were using a fake defector program against Russia , Romania , and other nations behind the iron curtain .
They weren’t over there trying to gain military secrets . We just had no idea about life in these countries. These fake defectors were finding things out like “ is their a mass transit system “ . “How do people get to work? . What do people do for entertainment ? “
We had no idea about any of the basic questions about life in Russia. Oswald was one of thirteen soldiers to fake defect to attempt to find this stuff out
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He really wasn’t a defector . The us govt were using a fake defector program against Russia , Romania , and other nations behind the iron curtain .
They weren’t over there trying to gain military secrets . We just had no idea about life in these countries. These fake defectors were finding things out like “ is their a mass transit system “ . “How do people get to work? . What do people do for entertainment ? “
We had no idea about any of the basic questions about life in Russia. Oswald was one of thirteen soldiers to fake defect to attempt to find this stuff out
Posted on 7/4/23 at 12:16 pm to tigerinexile
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Prescott Bush has to be a close second
HW was in Northeast Texas that day and conveniently didn't remember where he was when he heard the news.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 1:17 pm to Bestbank Tiger
Gentleman, I have studied the Assassination my entire life and have spent many hours in Dealey Plaza. The first shot hit the president in the throat at the Tie knot and exited where you have seen photos of shirt, Jacket. this shot was from the cars left from the south end of Triple Underpass. there are photos of the back seat upholstery where you see a white cut thats where it ended up.The kill shot came from the Storm drain system built into the North end of Triple Underpass the opening is there today covered by a heavy metal grate.Lastly the people that put this together(on the ground) that made it out of Dallas where immediately sent to S.E Asia No real assasin would be anywhere BUT in front of motorcade w/ target coming towards them. There were lots of" characters" in the plaza that day and lots of local on the ground help, meaning, the witnesses ran into Police,Secret Service, Fbi, that may not have been who they actually were.Because Suppressors were used on some rifles, shots where not heard, shots missed, and we will probably never know exactly what went down in those 12 seconds or so. I will say this this was the beginning of the end when they got away with this the snow ball we are experiencing today started its down hill roll..........
This post was edited on 7/4/23 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 7/4/23 at 1:38 pm to wertheimer
quote:Then, no offense, but you need to study a bit more.
Gentleman, I have studied the Assassination my entire life and have spent many hours in Dealey Plaza.
This is not an exit wound:
Further, Connally was hit simultaneously. The shot may not have come from the 6th Fl TSBD window, but it came from behind.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 1:45 pm to 2020_reVISION
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“If You Saw What I Saw, You Wouldn’t Release It Either” – Judge Napolitano on What President Trump Said to Him About Releasing JFK Files
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Posted on 7/4/23 at 1:49 pm to NC_Tigah
Your going into the rabbit hole now. that is a drawing supposedly of film, the problem w the Kennedy arse. is you never know if what you are reading, hearing, seeing are the actual facts.Im not going to get into a crossfire discussion w/ you, but I will stand behind my previous op. and no Connelly was not hit w the shot that supposedly went thru Kenn. from the back Kenn was hit about Zup 154 just as the car was going behind stemmons sgn.....
This post was edited on 7/4/23 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 7/4/23 at 2:25 pm to skeeter531
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There were witnesses who said they saw him in the lunchroom on a different floor of the building. Eyewitness testimony is not the most accurate evidence.
so eyewitnesses are not the most accurate evidence but yet you claim there were eyewitnesses stating oswald was in the cafeteria ...which one is it? well let me help you....
the eyewitness that claimed to see oswald in the cafeteria was Carolyn Adams. and she did not tell anybody this until 15 years later in 1978. however, on the date of the shooting she told the FBI that she didn't see him at all and she signed a statement verifying that. there were others there in the cafeteria at the same time that Adams later said she saw oswald (these were Joe Molina and Robert Reid) and both stated they did not see oswald.
also oswald was positively ID'd as the shooter by a witness called Howard Brennan from a police lineup:
Brennan's account:
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‘“He was standing up and resting against the left window sill, with the gun shouldered to. his right shoulder, holding the gun with his left hand and taking positive aim. ... He drew the gun back from the window as though he was drawing it back to his side and maybe paused for another second as though to assure himself that he hit his mark, and then he disappeared.”
Mr. Brennan described the assassin as a “neat, slender” white man in his early 30's, about 5 feet 10 inches tall, weighing from 160 to 170 pounds and dressed in light-colored clothes.
Mr. Brennan picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a police lineup as a man “closely resembling” the one he saw, but he declined in his first interviews with police and Federal Bureau of Investigation agents to make a positive identification.
He told the Warren Commission later that he actually was fairly certain all along that Oswald was the man, but hesitated to identify him positively because he thought the assassination was part of a Communist plot. He said he feared that “If it got to be a known fact that I was an eyewitness, my family or I . . . might not be safe.”
and i didn't even mention the ballistics, oswald's fingerprints on the rifle, the gunpowder found on oswald's clothes, the dozens of eyewitnesses that saw him shoot dead Tippit the police officer while on the run.....just give it up mate. he did it.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 3:05 pm to Heyes
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I am sure we can take the warren commissions findings on Oswald as gospel .
Facts are facts. A copy of Oswald's marksmanship records from the Marines were included in the report. He was an expert marksman at the distance that JFK was assassinated at, that's just the way it is. He was more than capable of making the shots (2 out of 3 hits) that day. Doesn't mean the Warren Commission got everything right, but it's clear Oswald was not just an average shot, he was much better than average.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 3:11 pm to HubbaBubba
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If he was such an expert marksman, how do you explain the first shot that missed and skipped off the pavement? An expert marksman would not have missed a target at 80 yards.
His shot was probably deflected by a traffic light that was in the way. This was discussed in a documentary on the assassination several years ago. There was some circumstantial evidence that seemed to back this up.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 3:20 pm to Indefatigable
Ok. Easily.
Physics and proof say otherwise.
Physics and proof say otherwise.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 3:24 pm to Tupelo
So you want me to trust Oswald's proficiency from his Marine Records?? If thats the issue how did he miss Walker.The DPD were asked if they ever fired the Rifle they had not. Again no credible Marksman that tested the rifle in 64 could duplicate what happened,also Oswalds hands were tested his face and cheeks were also tested w/ nothing found. Oswald was being paid by two Agency's, he was not a lone nut as claimed by the MSM. There were also I-witnesses who saw Gunman in the 5th floor window opposite(west) of the alledged Snipers nest.Folks who in the past that got close to the real story got "checked out" Believe what you want , this counrty has never been the same since that sorry day in History.
This post was edited on 7/4/23 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 7/4/23 at 3:25 pm to FightinTigersDammit
Nor was he an expert marksman capable of doing this with a shitty rifle
Posted on 7/4/23 at 3:37 pm to NC_Tigah
That could easily be an exit wound. I have seen many that looked like that.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 3:56 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
ILL give you another confusing Issue. Pictures were taken at the Tippit Murder scene,there are pictures of Owasld's wallet? How can you have these pictures if Oswald was arrested at the Theater with a Wallett? The only conclusion was there was a Imposter. The Cia didnt need to De- brief Oswald when he got back from Russia because they new what he was doing. He had a 201 File from the mid-50's.My brother's wife father was a Birmingham Police Officer in the 60's, she told me that her Father pulled over LHO?? in the summer of 63 with a station wagon full of Rifles and Pro- Russia/ Cuba literature LHO stated he was taking the Rifles to Boston???? When her father went back to the Police station a day or so later Oswald was gone and all the written notes from his arrest were GONE. Tell me good fellows Who can have that done over the phone in B'ham in 1963??
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