re: NASA / Moon Landing

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In regards to the moon landings, I am just curious as to the percentage of folks here who think it was real, or completely staged.

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Whew this is a tough one as always...here are some of my thoughts about it...

I had a couple of older relatives who, when I was growing up, would say it was staged. I thought they were nuts. I thought with the mind of a child however. I have also seen other institutions which I held as "sacred" for lack of a better term growing up be corrupted as well. I was a child and thought as a child, I had also been exposed to the public school system, albeit a perennial top system in the state. Even so I always was proud of myself for thinking outside of the box and as Reagan would say "trust but verify". Maybe it was because I was a bit of the precocious type with a high IQ, left handed, yada...I was just always wanting things to add up and make sense.

As my mind matured, I realized more and more that it was ok to question things. I didn't do this on the basis of being a rebel, I did it more so, again, to make things add up in my mind. Aging and being a news, sports(stats involved), weather, and general information wonk...doubts started creeping in for me and the veracity of the Moon landing. I had a whole list of thing in my head about why have we not been back with massively better technology through the years? Why would we go to extremes with the Shuttle program to test spaceflight isms and schisms, inventions, human and animal behavior, many things under intense scrutiny but we felt it not terribly important to keep going to the Moon and gleaning that information as well? I would wonder why we couldn't even hardly get shuttles in the orbit and get them back without them blowing up yet in 1969 we could pull off going to the Moon and back with few issues?

I also found it convenient that was could go from "gate to gate" with space program in a few years from inception to the Moon yet with the old technology but could no longer even approach it in much more modern times. I found it convenient that Kennedy had predicted we would be at the Moon by the end of the decade and voila at the end of 1969 we went there. I wondered about motivations...why would we lie about this? Then I thought about the need to go up against the Soviets with superior technology, or give the appearance of having it, while they had been kicking our arse up to that point. It worked for Reagan when we touted "Star Wars" technology in the 1980's...did we just find it to be a good idea suddenly then?

As time has continued to lapse, and we still struggle with technology to do just about anything space related these days 50+ years later the doubt grows more and more. We see other aspects in the debate as well in parallel, but less time tested things. In 2020-2021, I was told by the government and the media, with an EXTREME level of urging to believe that the Covid shots were a must to take. I didn't yield. I am proven more to have made the correct decision every day since. Don't forget how much in lockstep we have seen this media/government pairing drilling us about THEIR truths so recently. We can see so many other things we were lied to about along the way but OMG if you question the Moon Landing that's a sacred cow that just can't be tipped...you just can't go there lest you be thought of as a loon, nut, conspiracy theorist, blah blah.

I think a lot of folks have their doubts at this point, they are just cowed to say otherwise. My hope is that if we engage the more recent examples such as the Covid shot, etc...to use as a parallel, others might be willing to express their doubts. Hanging on anything the government and media tells you nowadays as "truth" and factual is fraught with peril. I would not suggest it. Now as I have said in the past...a lot of these conspiracy debates need to be handled on an individual level. One can't just go off the deep end with it. For example, I have to idea where the Flat Earther types get their notions from. I think we have plenty of proof to refute that.

I will even say that personally, I haven't come to the conclusion that we haven't been to the Moon yet. I am still undecided. There is nothing wrong with this. I feel it is good to keep gathering knowledge along the way to come to a firm decision. My main point is that you don't need to be lazy, look into things for yourself about any given topic of controversy that has meaning to you. Don't just take what you are told from the known liars in the government and media as well. Don't cave in to peer pressure either to be a sheep. Most folks don't take the time to question narratives in today's busy world. All they go to are questionable at best soundbites. Question them heavily!!!

TL, DR cliffs: Nothing wrong with having questions and doubts about things, in particular circa 2022!

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Over the years, I've had enough personal contact and conversations with NASA employees from the Apollo era, including two moonwalkers, to believe without a doubt that twelve men walked on the surface of the Moon between 1969 and 1972.

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I met 2 moonwalkers and pilot, at my grandpa's funeral. He was chief engineer of the 3rd stage from apollo 12 through the soyuz joint missions, deputy chief prior to that. I have 0 doubt 2 of these men walked on the moon and the 3rd guy didn't. Pilot got so pissed when the other 2 started bragging to us But the overall story was they were grateful af they arrived in lunar orbit safely.

Yes mankind has been to the moon.

In Russia, moon walks on you.

Can’t we see our trash on the moon with a telescope?

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Can’t we see our trash on the moon with a telescope?

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There are numerous telescopic photos of each lunar landing. Google it. Nothing fake or amazing about this. These are the same lunatics who gave you "the grassy knoll" theory.

I just think it would be too big a secret to keep with too few people who benefit from keeping the secret

Like earth, the moon is flat. But unlike earth it sits on its edge, meaning any attempted landing would just slide down the surface like an object down a wall. We are lucky the earth lays directly flat and up right.

Apparently not?

[img]All it would take is for nasa to fly a probe close enough to show us the debris we supposedly left on the moon.[/img]