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re: Myth- “social security is guaranteed”.

Posted on 10/8/26 at 10:58 am to
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
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Posted on 10/8/26 at 10:58 am to
I think there’s a widely held misconception that most boomers are wealthy / have significant assets. That is not the case
Posted by SparkyWilson
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Posted on 10/8/26 at 11:06 am to
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I think there’s a widely held misconception that most boomers are wealthy / have significant assets. That is not the case



Holding that misconception includes boomers. The ones that have done it right act like their entire cohort has done it right when they are talking about successive generations.


Posted by ShrimperDan
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Posted on 10/8/26 at 11:07 am to
I don't disagree. That doesn't mean it wouldn't be extremely impactful on our society if we decided tomorrow to cut benefits.

We are also entering a time period where we don't need as many people to do a job. Where are they going to work?
Posted by Horsemeat
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Posted on 10/8/26 at 11:08 am to
I was told by my intro to business teacher in high school to never expect a penny from social security by the time I retire and to build my own portfolio that will pay me until the day I die - she showed us how to set up an etrade account in 1999. I've taken it to heart and am way way waaaaaaaay ahead of the curve of a majority of elder millenials.
Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 10/8/26 at 11:11 am to
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Its currently around 185k so moving it to like a million, or entirely, (without increasing the max benefit) would add around 20 years to SSs solvency.
you are assuming folks won’t hide it as quick as it’s enacted.

How about we just raise the minimum up to 65. A three year pause on the folks that take it early should provide a tiny bit of breathing room. But it is going broke. And I don’t blame the younger generation for feeling even more strongly against it.

I am 57. If I take it at 65 I will have paid the max into it for over 30 years. My entire working life contributed and be the first age group that it dries up on.

Talk about max frickage
Posted by Tigersforthee
Member since Dec 2025
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Posted on 10/8/26 at 11:18 am to
Well if they arent hiding it to prevent paying a 37% federal income tax I doubt an additional 6% for SS would push them over the edge, but maybe some would.

I did mention raising the eligibility age by 3 years, which would have a huge positive impact on its long term solvency. I'm about the same age and always budgeted as though I'd never receive anything so im gonna be fine either way, but we are the exceptions to the rule.
Posted by geoag58
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 10/8/26 at 11:20 am to
I know you don't have a solution. And there has never been a candidate or a party that has put forth a serious solution. It is not my fault or any other person who has voted for the more conservative candidate their entire lives. You are either too ignorant or stupid to understand that.
Posted by lurking
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Posted on 10/8/26 at 11:25 am to
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I've taken it to heart and am way way waaaaaaaay ahead of the curve of a majority of elder millenials.


I am as well and you better start finding creative ways to hide it. In this thread, the boomers are openly advocating for at least another 6% tax on your assets to cover social security costs.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/8/26 at 11:26 am to
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I doubt an additional 6%
12.4%
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 10/8/26 at 11:27 am to
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lot of people whine about socialism coming to America but don't hear them wanting to cut medicare and SS


It's precisely what the state designs its welfare programs to do. Force you to pay into something under false moral pretenses and requires you to rely on the state to provide for you later. Even if you are opposed to it in principle, the state has forced you to invest magnitudes of your own private wealth into it under the guise that you will get it on the backend as well. Then the state uses the money for whatever purposes it wants in the mean time with no concern for long term solvency. They can just use the money for other programs that promise other goods and services to people whose votes they want. It serves the short term ends of the political class. The only way to get rid of it is for everyone who has paid into it their entire lives to accept the massive theft of their personal wealth for nothing in return. Not an easy sell, especially to those who are relying on that money to live on in retirement. They have functionally coerced and implicated everyone by force into this scheme.

And for those blaming "boomers," I get that its easy to blame an entire generation but the fact is, it's just the political class again fricking everyone with false promises so that they can secure their own short term personal interests. They sell it as being for the "good of the people," the same way they always have and always will sell bullshite to the masses. You think subsequent generations are any less stupid and gullible? They pretty obviously aren't.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/8/26 at 11:28 am to
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And there has never been a candidate or a party that has put forth a serious solution.
W did.
Posted by SparkyWilson
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Posted on 10/8/26 at 11:28 am to
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12.4%


If non-W2, yes.
Posted by geoag58
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 10/8/26 at 11:36 am to
It was an attempt. But twenty seconds after he said it, it became obvious from the dimtard blowback that it was DOA.
Posted by Tigersforthee
Member since Dec 2025
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Posted on 10/8/26 at 11:43 am to
If self employed yes. If you work for the man its 6.2
Posted by paulb52
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 10/8/26 at 11:45 am to
If social security banked every dime contributed by workers it would be fully funded but it's not. It's an unfunded liability paid out with current worker contributions. By definition, that is a Ponzi scheme that will eventually fail. Too many payouts to people that did not pay into it along with this massive SSI and Medicaid fiasco full of fraud,
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/8/26 at 11:49 am to
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If you work for the man its 6.2
It is always 12.4, the fact you don't "see" half of it notwithstanding.
Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 10/9/26 at 7:43 am to
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Well if they arent hiding it to prevent paying a 37% federal income tax I doubt an additional 6% for SS would push them over the edge, but maybe some would.
that’s the thing, we aren’t paying near 37%. No matter gross. But the 6%. That is straight off the top regardless.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/9/26 at 12:35 pm to
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we aren’t paying near 37%
Overall, in terms of federal Income tax?
Perhaps not.

Then again, that was not the contention.
The issue is income exposure.

The highest current exposure is STCG +NIIT at 40.8%. That would be unaffected by uncapped payroll taxes.

Regular income exceeds $185K in about 15% of households -- brackets 24%, 32%, 35%, and 37%.

Though we generally separate FICA from IT because FICA is tied to personal "benefits," in this instance, that tie would be disconnected. SS, would officially become a form of welfare, and FICA > $185K/yr income (if even legal under the SS statutes) would be nothing but an income tax popping 24% rates to 36.4%! That would be a huge hit. Essentially, the brackets would be 10% 12% 22% => 36.4% 44.4% 47.4% 49.4%.

A more feasible, if less lucrative, solution would be to tax SS payments at regular income levels for those with overall income exceeding X annual income threshold. That money, as is the case with any SS tax, would return to the SSTF.
This post was edited on 10/9/26 at 12:37 pm
Posted by Rip Torner
Member since Jul 2023
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Posted on 10/9/26 at 12:39 pm to
Every adult should have the ability to voluntarily withdraw from SS if they choose to
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 10/10/26 at 10:38 pm to
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Boomers have voted over the last 30 years to receive the most government benefits ever in history


All of them? Every Boomer did this?

And it was only Boomers? Nobody from any other generation voted for the same?
This post was edited on 10/10/26 at 10:51 pm
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