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re: My son is losing his job due to not taking the vax.

Posted on 8/21/21 at 10:40 am to
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
57894 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 10:40 am to
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Now, asked to take a vaccine that has been taken by hundreds of millions with some having side effects.....No WAY! I'll lose my job first!


He may be like myself and my wife (no pics) where we aren't getting it until we know of any long-term side effects. You simply can't swap quantity of test subjects for time.

The normal FDA testing period is 10-12 years. We're at the point of a Phase IV test, which is normally ~8 years in, but these vaccines themselves haven't even existed for two years yet.

To add to this we are getting conflicting messages.

Is there efficacy in the vaccines? Yes... sometimes? We see reports here in the US about 89% or more of COVID patients in hospitals are unvaccinated, but then we see reports coming from the medical fields of other countries where the majority of their patients are vaccinated. In the case of Iceland, over 90% of the country is vaccinated yet they have had their highest spike in cases thus far.

We hear doctors state they are actively using Ivermectin with their patients and getting great results but then we get other doctors stating it doesn't.

We were told to get the 2-shot vaccine and we would be safe from the virus, that it would be eradicated just like Polio and we could all get back to normal. Then it was that the efficacy wore off and a booster would be needed after a year. Now it's 8 months (with some stories claiming 6 months).

We are told different things on masks but they all boil down to lessening impact while being presented as (or at least taken as) completely stopping transmission.

From the brief animal study phase (which normally lasts a year before moving to pre-clinicals) we were told the spike proteins shouldn't move from the injection site (mice) or that if they did it would be VERY minimal (macaques), yet we now know (see again: quantity does not substitute for time) that in humans the spike proteins flow throughout the body far more. Enough that the NIH, CDC, etc have had to rush to create missives explaining that finding them throughout the body isn't harmful.

There's enough complaints coming into the NIH that they've begun studying the impact of the vaccines on women's cycles and pectoral lymph nodes. With that latter point, prior to COVID the general medical consensus was to consult a physician if a lymph node remains swollen longer than two weeks. Now that we're seeing far longer inflammation after the vaccines they've backed it up to six weeks (ie: 3x as long). Some complaints I've read have had women dealing with it for up to 3 months and the nodes become hard enough to register as tumors in mammograms.

And then there's a history we can draw from for drugs which were rushed into use (see: thalidomide and the swine flu debacle of 1976).

This doesn't even get into "vaccination passports" (which we were assured would not happen), mandating vaccination as a condition of employment or even entry to a business.

To me, those are all far more disturbing than the possibility of getting a virus with a ~99% survival rate.
This post was edited on 8/21/21 at 10:43 am
Posted by Topisawtiger
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2012
3680 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 10:41 am to
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Certainly you must understand by now that we didn’t serve to protect individual freedoms but instead corporate freedoms. In a fashion, your son is simply enjoying the fruits of the freedoms we served to protect. Been a lifetime since the US has fought a war where it is indisputable that we were fighting to protect the liberty of those on our own soil.

Expect this to happen more when the FDA gives Pfizer and Moderna vaccines full approval for use. Employers are going to do what the government really can’t w/r/t forcing vaccination. They’re going to let the market give those who choose not to do it a “price signal” so to speak. Expect health insurance companies to be granted the right to deny payment for COVID-related care to the unvaccinated. I expect that to be a shitshow that insurers exploit in ways that were never intended too.

The government will never officially lift a finger to make you get the vaccine. The business world will do the heavy lifting because they want people to go back to spending like they were before the pandemic spooked consumer habits. And most people will never organize against it because it is their employer making them do it instead of the government.



I agree with this wholeheartedly, but in this case the hospital is owned by the government, not a private entity.
Posted by LSU316
Rice and Easy Baby!!!
Member since Nov 2007
30235 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 10:41 am to
That hospital must be in pretty good shape to have expendable nurses.
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 10:43 am to
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Then you can’t read or comprehend


No tell me specifically how it is a huge mistake. How will me being vaccinated negatively affect my life?
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21693 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 10:43 am to
At will employment, rabble rabble rabble.
Posted by Undertow
Member since Sep 2016
8867 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 10:43 am to
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It's time for the non-vaxed to form unions and start demanding worker's rights.


I’m vaxxed but I stand with the unvaxxed’s right to be unvaxxed and move freely throughout society.

The actual science, not the lefts version of politicized science, says the unvaxxed are not a threat to the vaxxed.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
56903 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 10:45 am to
And yet, we get the tick tock nurse crowd pissing themselves over “we’re overwhelmed “.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
37088 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 10:50 am to
Certainly his prerogative but if he wants to remain a nurse, I suspect he will run out of places to work that won't eventually require it. Does he have a family to support?
Posted by braindeadboxer
Utopia
Member since Nov 2011
8742 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 10:52 am to
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No tell me specifically how it is a huge mistake. How will me being vaccinated negatively affect my life?


You bought into a lie, Nothing you were told ended up being the truth concerning this vaccine. You are still running around with a mask and being told to social distance. Just like the unvaccinated.

You still don’t know what will be required if you to “stay safe” in 6 months

You took a vaccine that is steadily showing to be less protective against new strains

You can’t with a straight face say that you know unequivocally that the long term effects of this vaccine are not worse than that of a virus that has a mortality rate of under 1% and is likely lower than that.

You took a gamble and now you are worried that you fricked up. You won’t post that here, nor will you say it out loud. But it’s true. Deny away though. :

Booked an appointment for your booster yet? How are they going to do that? Will your mommy have to check you out of work to go have a well check? Do they give you a new immunization record or can you use the same one you used in elementary school?

Posted by AURaptor
South
Member since Aug 2018
11958 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 10:56 am to
Fine. But they alter how our cells work. I’m sorry if you can’t understand that simple concept, but I’m pretty much sick and tired of the “establishment elites“ telling us one thing and then having the truth come out later on to be the exact opposite .

These are experimental drugs, which normally should take five or 10 years before we understand the side effects.
This post was edited on 8/21/21 at 12:45 pm
Posted by Undertow
Member since Sep 2016
8867 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 10:58 am to
If you asked any nurse pre-covid, they would say they were overwhelmed. That’s just a nurses life.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36669 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 11:00 am to
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I served my country in the military long enough to retire to see my family have to go through this crap.


Did I miss the oart were the government was mandating this or is this another case of a so called conservative not respecting the personal property rights of a business owner?

I believe it's the second and you should learn and understand freedom. Don't tell a business what to do.

Your son didn't lose freedom, he has a choice to move to another company that is not requiring the Vax.
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa-Here to Serve
Member since Aug 2012
16663 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 11:01 am to
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Just a quick question (and, I do not hate or look down at anyone making his own choice)....but:

If I asked him, I'd guess he'd say "I'd fight the Devil and 100 angry Grizzly bears to protect and provide for my children!" or some such statement.


Now, asked to take a vaccine that has been taken by hundreds of millions with some having side effects.....No WAY! I'll lose my job first!


I just find it interesting.



Or he can leave, and then find another job at a place that does not require the shot. Its not like he has no options.

The unfortunate part is that the hospital is probably in need of more nurses and they do stupid shite like this.
Posted by Topisawtiger
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2012
3680 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 11:03 am to
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Did I miss the oart were the government was mandating this or is this another case of a so called conservative not respecting the personal property rights of a business owner?

I believe it's the second and you should learn and understand freedom. Don't tell a business what to do.

Your son didn't lose freedom, he has a choice to move to another company that is not requiring the Vax.



Sir, I guess you missed the post where I added that this is a "government" owned hospital. If a private hospital mandates this then that may be their right, but also their right to bear the repercussions if they don't have enough staff to run their 'business'.
Posted by VolunGator
Franklin, TN / Key West, FL
Member since Jan 2020
1394 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 11:04 am to
He might want to consider Certified Life Care Planner (CLCP). Remote work. $100 to $300 an hr.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
13830 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 11:06 am to
The good news is that no such requirement to work as a FEMA crisis nurse and they are making bank
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125360 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 11:14 am to
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Your son didn't lose freedom, he has a choice to move to another company that is not requiring the Vax.


This is asinine.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37012 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 11:15 am to
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We were told to get the 2-shot vaccine and we would be safe from the virus, that it would be eradicated just like Polio and we could all get back to normal.
Except that people are refusing to get the vaccine. Notice how things are so much better in states with higher vaccination rates?
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93338 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 11:16 am to
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lsu777


Clown poster
Posted by concrete_tiger
Member since May 2020
7477 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 11:21 am to
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Except that people are refusing to get the vaccine. Notice how things are so much better in states with higher vaccination rates?


What things are better? I’m on a couple moving to Florida groups, the influx of people to Florida from the shithole states is pretty strong, sadly. Things are pretty good here in Georgia and Florida, but you wouldn’t know if you relied on “news” for information.
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