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re: Muh tariffs are taxes on the American consumer!
Posted on 6/6/19 at 7:15 am to RollTide4Ever
Posted on 6/6/19 at 7:15 am to RollTide4Ever
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It's every American dream to work in a shoe factory.
What other jobs do you not think Americans should be able to have since it would be beneath them?
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 7:17 am to sugar71
the price of those ford and chevy trucks made in monterrey that the baws like to lift and drive to the refinery where they work, which imports quite a bit of the oil from mexico is also going up. a high percentage of medical equipment used to take care of our processed food eating fatty population comes from mexico that shops at walmart to buy cheap crap made in china, not mexico. North american supply chains are very integrated and that can't be changed quickly. China is a different story. that's why the vast majority of republican senators oppose Mexican tariffs. Turtle has even said Trump needs to come talk to them. Veto override is likely.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 7:24 am to TigerBait1971
On the 75th anniversary of D-day, while the left is whining about the cost of their avocado toast and their sacrifice, real Americans are honoring the sacrifice of so many on foreign shores to promise them their freedom to whine.
If the cost of a secure border is your sacrifice of your avocado toast, we may celebrate your determination and grit in 75 years. Then again, we may not.
If the cost of a secure border is your sacrifice of your avocado toast, we may celebrate your determination and grit in 75 years. Then again, we may not.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 7:27 am to jimmy the leg
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Combine that with cheap labor and virtually ZERO environmental regulations and China is in a dominant position today (a virtual monopoly...although that is slowly changing).
There are other nation's with cheap labor & lax environmental laws that Western companies could exploit. China had the forethought to set conditions on doing business in their country & greedy corporations accept/ed those terms.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 7:36 am
Posted on 6/6/19 at 7:31 am to BuckyCheese
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Few investors look at the long game anymore. Just a bunch of reactionaries.
what exactly is the "long game" here and how will our behavioral precedent affect the "long game" of international economies?
this very thread is an example of people promoting the short game (via tariffs) and exposing our vulnerabilities long term (one example is rare earth metals that China controls and we don't).
yeah right now we can be a big swinging dick and try to bully our trade partners into unfair deals for them, but they can (and will) do the same to us down the road. you've made it to where they're justified in their behaviors (so i don't want to see any of y'all baws complaining on 2030 tigerdroppings)
Posted on 6/6/19 at 7:33 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Aren’t you a Wisconsin labor union democrat?
They liked tariffs when Bernie was stumping for them. But orange man, you know.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 7:34 am to sugar71
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Their are other nation's with cheap labor & lax environmental laws that Western companies could exploit. China had the forethought to set conditions on doing business in their country & greedy corporations accept/ed those terms.
the post you replied to was about rare earth metals. the other poor/developing countries you reference certainly could not perform how China has performed. there are other options for base level manufacturing (the jobs tariffs seek to return to the US for some reason), but not trade in certain commodities that we need for our tech
Posted on 6/6/19 at 7:48 am to AlceeFortier
Scream louder, bitch.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 7:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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the post you replied to was about rare earth metals. the other poor/developing countries you reference certainly could not perform how China has performed. there are other options for base level manufacturing (the jobs tariffs seek to return to the US for some reason), but not trade in certain commodities that we need for our tech
India certainly qualifies as one of those poor nations & they certainly seem to have a ton of qualified Engineers/ scientist , cheap labor, lax environmental laws,etc......(And "rare minerals" aren't all that rare from what I've read).
People mock small countries like those African nation's ( and others) we say are being exploited by China. China refused to be exploited by the West who wanted to use their cheap labor/ resources.... The Chinese insisted on joint ventures, sharing of technology & know how for future self suffiency when the companies moved on to other cheap sources.
Pretty admirable that China didn't allow itself to be completely exploited isn't it?
Posted on 6/6/19 at 8:14 am to sugar71
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Pretty admirable that China didn't allow itself to be completely exploited isn't it?
are you implying that somehow the US is being "completely exploited" as the largest economic power the world has ever seen?
Posted on 6/6/19 at 8:17 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Sugar dissolved
are you implying that somehow the US is being "completely exploited" as the largest economic power the world has ever seen?
Posted on 6/6/19 at 8:28 am to NC_Tigah
i'm going to be honest, i never know in these discussions
the pro-tariff people are all over the place when they discuss tariffs. they talk about "fair deals" and then bring up "IP theft" when the 2 aren't related at all. i think most are just parroting talking points like leftists and don't want to understand how the sausage is made
it's much easier to just throw out buzzwords
the pro-tariff people are all over the place when they discuss tariffs. they talk about "fair deals" and then bring up "IP theft" when the 2 aren't related at all. i think most are just parroting talking points like leftists and don't want to understand how the sausage is made
it's much easier to just throw out buzzwords
Posted on 6/6/19 at 8:34 am to TigerBait1971
quote:Tariffs increase the prices of domestic goods, due to artificial elimination of price competition
buy American or some other country's product that trades or treats us fairly.
This is ALWAYS true.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's much easier to just throw out buzzwords
quote:As a condition of trade they are.
"fair deals" and then bring up "IP theft" when the 2 aren't related at all
IP theft is a partial misnomer in that it is a catch-all including everything from pseudo-espionage, to patent-copyright infringement, to trademark violations. Free access to US markets is both the issue and goal driven by the Trump tariffs. Free access to our markets is a privilege.
Trump has laid down a marker. Either others will conform to our IP standards and unencumbered exchange of goods and services, or their privileged access to US markets will be pared back.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 10:35 am
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:41 am to NC_Tigah
I just have a hard time believing that tariffs are somehow the most effective tool in negotiations with China and Mexico for completely different and complicated objectives
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 10:42 am
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:48 am to conservativewifeymom
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Ever! Not even the organic one.
All produce is organic
All food has chemicals in it. It is made of chemicals
Posted on 6/6/19 at 11:02 am to pizzatiger
quote:They aren't. Congress eliminating the accompanied-child-rule unique to Central American migrants, shoring up alien retention and case processing, increasing border security, etc., etc. are all more effective tools. Congress refuses to enact them. That leaves POTUS with very limited solutions.
I just have a hard time believing that tariffs are somehow the most effective tool in negotiations with ... Mexico for completely different and complicated objectives
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 11:03 am
Posted on 6/6/19 at 11:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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yeah right now we can be a big swinging dick and try to bully our trade partners into unfair deals for them, but they can (and will) do the same to us down the road.)
I see you are a globalist.
Our "trading partners" are already fricking us over. "Do the same to us down the road" ? They are fricking us now !
Mexico is different , Congress and Mexico won't do anything , so Trump is.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 11:46 am to Skeezer
To every economic purist in this thread trashing tariffs on Mexico to make them enforce immigration restrictions we want, can we please get an alternative that we can do right now that will be more cost effective? Wall funding failed, Dems won’t come to table on immigration reform. We are running out of options.
Right now, we have endless waves of people coming here that are going to cost us way more than the tariffs in the long run. We are all ears.
Right now, we have endless waves of people coming here that are going to cost us way more than the tariffs in the long run. We are all ears.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 11:53 am to 93and99
If our trade partners are screwing us over why is the stock market booming? I thought trump has made America great again. Are you telling me that if we had this china thing the way we wanted we'd have 1.5% unemployment, the stock market would be 20% higher, and we would all be making more money?
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