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re: Muh tariffs are taxes on the American consumer!
Posted on 6/5/19 at 7:10 pm to RollTide4Ever
Posted on 6/5/19 at 7:10 pm to RollTide4Ever
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It's every American dream to work in a shoe factory.
It seems like the dream is to get a worthless degree and go onto message boards and complain about student loans.
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Posted on 6/5/19 at 7:13 pm to TigerBait1971
You know what else no one ever mentions about these illegals?
Health care costs, we might pay a bit extra for Mexican goods but we will save billions on care from the ER. Look at California and Texas and their costs for health care from these illegals.
Health care costs, we might pay a bit extra for Mexican goods but we will save billions on care from the ER. Look at California and Texas and their costs for health care from these illegals.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 7:41 pm to BuckyCheese
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Thank the EPA for that.
While you aren't wrong (rare Earth's aren't actually rare), China would still have a decided advantage based on the sheer amount of the minerals that they posess. Combine that with cheap labor and virtually ZERO environmental regulations and China is in a dominant position today (a virtual monopoly...although that is slowly changing).
Posted on 6/5/19 at 7:50 pm to TigerBait1971
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frick off. If it's not worth it to you, buy American or some other country's product that trades or treats us fairly. Muh cheap goods that enable my country's demise.
The discontent you see is an argument of principle.
Conservatives have always used anti-tariff stances on anything proposed by Democrats or other bodies they disagreed with.
However, as soon as you find some form of benefit that tariffs can deliver, you change course. So effectively you are saying "I don't really dislike tariffs on conservative principle, I am okay with them as long as they can be weaponized against my opponent."
The truth is that most posters on here are not conservatives, they are nativists. And if that's your position, okay, but don't pretend your something that your not (like Democrats).
Posted on 6/5/19 at 7:51 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Aren’t you a Wisconsin labor union democrat? You do realize major unions support protectionism, right?
His raging liberalism requires he oppose anything Trump.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 7:53 pm to volod
I'm neither a nativist or a conservative.
I identify as a pragmatic.
I identify as a pragmatic.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 7:55 pm to TigerBait1971
I'm a big MAGA guy and all, but I sit in on some pension fund meetings and some really bright investment consultants who I respect a lot go apeshite over the tariffs' effect on the global economy. One guy today "you can't just go around slapping these on whoever you want - I agree with the Chinese that it's economic terrorism" 
I guess I don't really care as long as they don't crash the economy.
I guess I don't really care as long as they don't crash the economy.Posted on 6/5/19 at 8:05 pm to TigerBait1971
you have ingested the tainted kool aid and it has eaten brain cells all the while trump is spending millions marketing his businesses on your tab in europe and yet you worry about economic fairness?????
u should worry more about trumps lying and how the deficit and his ego is raping our country. the more he remains incompetent the more powerful becomes the liberal agenda which will rape us more. demand that trump do what is best for us rather than himself.
u should worry more about trumps lying and how the deficit and his ego is raping our country. the more he remains incompetent the more powerful becomes the liberal agenda which will rape us more. demand that trump do what is best for us rather than himself.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 8:08 pm to AlceeFortier
You are a mentally ill uneducated indoctrinated bubble dwelling fart sniffing idiot.
Are you even in this country legally?
Are you even in this country legally?
Posted on 6/5/19 at 8:08 pm to AlceeFortier
Settle down lady.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 8:11 pm to AlceeFortier
That was one of the stupidest things I have seen here.
And that is saying something.
And that is saying something.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 8:14 pm to Bunk Moreland
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I'm a big MAGA guy and all, but I sit in on some pension fund meetings and some really bright investment consultants who I respect a lot go apeshite over the tariffs' effect on the global economy. One guy today "you can't just go around slapping these on whoever you want - I agree with the Chinese that it's economic terrorism" I guess I don't really care as long as they don't crash the economy.
Few investors look at the long game anymore. Just a bunch of reactionaries.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 9:25 pm to volod
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Conservatives have always used anti-tariff stances on anything proposed by Democrats or other bodies they disagreed with.
You have Conservatives and Republicans mixed up.
Republicans love globalism just like Democrats do. Conservatives despise globalism. Conservatives don't like tariffs. But if a country is going to tax our products , why shouldn't we tax their products ?
Not applying retaliatory tariffs is a form of globalism. You are helping another country at the detriment of our workforce.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 9:29 pm to AlceeFortier
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AlceeFortier
You say stupid shite.
I have seen other posters call you a racist. Maybe you hate Trump because he's white or you envy is wealth.
Trump is a lot better president than the great experiment ever was.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:29 pm to TigerBait1971
Lots of folks encourage people to shop local because it keeps money in the local economy and has somewhat of a multiplier effect. Before going into comparative and absolute advantages, hear me out.
This is a simple idea applied to a very complex international system, but at what point does the same idea hold true - that keeping the money in the local economy (the US) has a multiplier effect and is better for the country in the long run?
From a national security standpoint it would seem like a better trade off to no longer rely so heavily on imports.
Society has become so fixated on having the lowest price that it doesn’t consider other items of value that are being given up to get that lowest price.
Just something to consider.
This is a simple idea applied to a very complex international system, but at what point does the same idea hold true - that keeping the money in the local economy (the US) has a multiplier effect and is better for the country in the long run?
From a national security standpoint it would seem like a better trade off to no longer rely so heavily on imports.
Society has become so fixated on having the lowest price that it doesn’t consider other items of value that are being given up to get that lowest price.
Just something to consider.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 12:16 am to volod
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The discontent you see is an argument of principle.
Conservatives have always used anti-tariff stances on anything proposed by Democrats or other bodies they disagreed with.
However, as soon as you find some form of benefit that tariffs can deliver, you change course. So effectively you are saying "I don't really dislike tariffs on conservative principle, I am okay with them as long as they can be weaponized against my opponent."
The truth is that most posters on here are not conservatives, they are nativists. And if that's your position, okay, but don't pretend your something that your not (like Democrats).
This is bullshite.
When Dems use to do tariffs, it was because they claimed to want to create “fair trade” (see tariffs during Bill Clinton terms). Clinton was a huge “protectionist”.
But when done during Obama’s terms, it was all under-the-table, with the Lefty MSM failing to cover them. Why? Because Dems were arbitraging tariffs with their personal investment accounts, trying to fatten their pockets. Dems went from protectionists who believed in closed borders to open borders and lopsided disadvantaged trade deals virtually overnight.
Trump is doing them purely to regain the concept of “fair trade” again. Or, as in the case with Mexico, he’s using them to strongarm indirectly another protectionist policy (ie. immigration).
Conservatives understand this and are willing to support it because we need it to fix our economy. Since Dems have moved so far left and have become so corrupt and are no longer the party of the working man and protectionists, Conservatives will take on that responsibility as it’s a viable defense against socialism and far Left economics.
Tariffs were actually a predominately Republican policy from around 1800-1915, and Tariffs were responsible for over 50% of the country’s revenue during most of that time. Only after the inception of the Federal Reserve and the Great Depression happened did the IRS and taxes begin to surpass tariff revenues.
Dems have always flip-flopped their stances to play political games and take advantage of anything for their personal gain.
Conservatives have always been willing to be unconventional for the sake of the overall economy and long term big picture. Short term pain for long term gain.
Obama was just a corrupt piece of shite. This is how he entered the Presidency worth around $1M and left worth over $40M. And I promise you, his trade and immigration policies played a roll in this.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 12:24 am
Posted on 6/6/19 at 7:05 am to NC_Tigah
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Actually, in order to market domestically, yes, yes they do.
So greed & desperation for the Chinese market has caused America's "best & brightest" to accept unfavorable Chinese laws? Companies that are free to not do business in China.
I find it amusing that a nation of 800 million communist peasants , in a little over 3 decades ,has the world's largest economy whining about unfair trade.
Western companies thought China would allow themselves to be exploited as a cheap labor source by these multinationals without getting much in return?
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 7:08 am
Posted on 6/6/19 at 7:11 am to sugar71
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So greed & desperation for the Chinese market has caused the America's "best & brightest" to accept unfavorable Chinese laws?
Greed and desperation? Really?
No!
You were ignorant as to the Chinese business environment when you asked "Does China force Apple, Boeing, GM ,etc....build plants/ do business in China?"
Just as you are ignorant as to fiduciary responsibility and capitalism in twirling to your new yarn.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 7:13 am to volod
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Conservatives have always used anti-tariff stances on anything proposed by Democrats or other bodies they disagreed with.
Tariffs used to put economic pressure on trading partners in an attempt to result in more free trade...good
Tariffs used solely to prop up American industries...not good
Tariffs ARE a tax on the American consumer.
In a perfect world, we would have free trade with every country.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 7:14 am
Posted on 6/6/19 at 7:14 am to TigerBait1971
Ah. Another small gov’t, Republican conservative willing to use the power of the federal gov’t to artificially manipulate the “free market” that he so readily proclaims to love.
I long for the good old days when only Democrats relished protectionist trade policies and gov’t controls on the economy.
I long for the good old days when only Democrats relished protectionist trade policies and gov’t controls on the economy.
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