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Mueller’s Indictment Of Russian Company Is Facing Dismissal Over Legal Incompetence

Posted on 5/15/18 at 4:25 pm
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 5/15/18 at 4:25 pm
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I’ve posted a couple of times on the fiasco that is brewing in federal court in Virginia where Robert Mueller’s crack team are getting ready to have to prosecute at least one, and possibly two, cases they never thought would see the light of day. To recap, under pressure to show he was doing something vaguely related to his charter, Robert Mueller engineered the indictments of three Russian companies, one of which was not even in existence during the 2016 election, and thirteen Russian nationals who we are told exist. I say “told exist” because if you can’t get the existence of a whole company right, you lose the ability to convince me you know the names of individual Russian hackers and have me not laugh.

The first fly in the ointment appeared when one of the defendants, Concord Management and Consulting, retained US counsel. Then the counsel showed up in court and they were not overawed by Mueller. In fact, they had an extensive list of items they were demanding under discovery. This will probably, in the fullness of time, place Mueller in the unenviable position of either producing classified information for the defense or dropping the case.

But wait, there’s more.

As I’ve said since the day the indictment was announced, this was a public relations ploy by Mueller. He indicted a handful of Russians that he thought he’d never have to try. The NeverTrump people and progressives were left in a post-orgasmic swoon. And Mueller went on with whatever it is that he’s doing. Now it seems like his team may have been so confident of the scam they were running that they didn’t even bother to run it properly. I’m quoting the whole article because there is so much awesome in here I don’t want to leave any out.


Read the rest about the Mueller shite Show here.

The article concludes with this paragraph:

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If this is true, and from what we’ve seen of this particular case the odds are that it is true, then Jeff Sessions should step in and fire the entire team that managed this indictment for blinding incompetence. Mueller needs to be called on the carpet by someone with balls, and that would not be Rosenstein, and read the Riot Act over the disgraceful legal chopshop that he’s running.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103174 posts
Posted on 5/15/18 at 4:31 pm to
If the messes with Whitey Bulger and Professor Stephen Hatfill didn’t get this idiot sent off into the cornfield, nothing will.
Posted by Kickadawgitfeelsgood
Lafayette LA
Member since Nov 2005
14090 posts
Posted on 5/15/18 at 4:37 pm to
When was Concord Catering “in existence”?

Seen a lot of articles state they were not in existence , haven’t seen one let the reader know any of the details.
Posted by BlackHelicopterPilot
Top secret lab
Member since Feb 2004
52841 posts
Posted on 5/15/18 at 4:40 pm to
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Kickadawgitfeelsgood


Do you find anything in that article to be of concern?

The 'charges' presented certainly cause me to unsettled by possible actions of this group of prosecutors.

Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 5/15/18 at 4:40 pm to
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
15444 posts
Posted on 5/15/18 at 4:42 pm to
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When was Concord Catering “in existence”?


So our of all this, THAT'S the part bothering you?

Learn what a "ham sandwich" is. It's an old joke in legal settings that mean a DA can get a grand jury to indict a "ham sandwich" if he wanted to. That's how biased a prosecution can get when presenting a "case" to a grand jury.

It's a joke of a system and Meuller is fricked because someone lied to the g jury,
Posted by theOG
Member since Feb 2010
10792 posts
Posted on 5/15/18 at 4:43 pm to
This guy thinks Mueller's case is screwed because the defendants have an attorney and that attorney is asking for evidence to be produced?

I'm disinterested in this Russian shite, but this seems like a low bar to be celebrating.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
69182 posts
Posted on 5/15/18 at 4:46 pm to
I just think it's funny that it could come to be that in his zeal to snuff out Russian collusion, Mueller will end up providing classified information to Russians.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 5/15/18 at 4:48 pm to
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I just think it's funny that it could come to be that in his zeal to snuff out Russian collusion, Mueller will end up providing classified information to Russians.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
468043 posts
Posted on 5/15/18 at 4:55 pm to
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This guy thinks Mueller's case is screwed because the defendants have an attorney and that attorney is asking for evidence to be produced?

I'm disinterested in this Russian shite, but this seems like a low bar to be celebrating.


I get into a couple of the main issues in this thread
Posted by Kickadawgitfeelsgood
Lafayette LA
Member since Nov 2005
14090 posts
Posted on 5/15/18 at 4:56 pm to
Still looking for details to verify. My guess is Concord Catering is on a campaign finance report.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
41124 posts
Posted on 5/15/18 at 5:00 pm to
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This guy thinks Mueller's case is screwed because the defendants have an attorney and that attorney is asking for evidence to be produced? 

I'm disinterested in this Russian shite, but this seems like a low bar to be celebrating.

They indicted a company that didn't exist during the period forming the basis for the criminal allegations. If you were serious about prosecuting a federal conspiracy case, this is the last thing any prosecutor would do.
Posted by rebeloke
Member since Nov 2012
17096 posts
Posted on 5/15/18 at 5:05 pm to
You may not realize how badly this went. 1) They never expected to have someone show up and say “let’s go to trail.” 2) see 1, therefore they sure as hell never thought about discovery 3) discovery opens up a scrutiny of their evidence 4) if they have evidence it is classified, and if they don’t it is worse because they have no reason for SC.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
468043 posts
Posted on 5/15/18 at 5:06 pm to
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4) if they have evidence it is classified

and about to be delivered to Putin

and there are no stakes. this is a COMPANY. even if Meuller wins, they lose, b/c they get a conviction against only a company
This post was edited on 5/15/18 at 5:07 pm
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 5/15/18 at 5:13 pm to
You said this in the other thread:

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hell, once they get delivered the evidence, in Russia, they can share everything with Putin and his cronies. i don't see a legal mechanism that will allow the defendant due process that won't also permit the information being transmitted to Russia. once it's there, we can't do anything about it


How is this resolved? If there is any classified info contained in discovery it can't be worth it for Mueller to pursue this case, right? It becomes a judgment call for the prosecutor or is there some other precedent to follow?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
468043 posts
Posted on 5/15/18 at 5:17 pm to
i'm curious. i wanted more legal eagles posting in that thread
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
38838 posts
Posted on 5/15/18 at 5:17 pm to
Meuller hopes for Dismissal; otherwise, He has to make a SUBSTANTIVE showing...such being impossible as His whole *Investigation* has been a fraud from it's inception.

Will be fun to watch Honest Bob squirm though.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125784 posts
Posted on 5/15/18 at 6:10 pm to
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My guess is Concord Catering is on a campaign finance report.


My guess is it’s not or we’d already have that item noted for us publicly.
Posted by Kickadawgitfeelsgood
Lafayette LA
Member since Nov 2005
14090 posts
Posted on 5/15/18 at 7:13 pm to
I’m pretty sure it doesn’t read Concord Catering.

The company was started in 1996. They were awarded a govt contract in 2012. The timeline is not their friend.
Posted by IllegalPete
Front Range
Member since Oct 2017
7182 posts
Posted on 5/15/18 at 7:23 pm to
Concord Catering is a subsidiary of Concord Management.

Concord Catering existed when the alleged crimes occurred.

Maybe Concord Catering used funds or people to troll people on twitter. Maybe they did not.

It appears that Mueller was correct in indicting Concord Management, the parent company.

It also appears that Mueller indicting Concord Catering was just to pad the stats. Since they are not a separate business (legal) entity any charges against them should have been filed against the parent company, Concord Management, or specific individuals.

That is my take.

wikipedia

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Concord Management and Consulting (Russian: ??????? ?????????? ? ??????????) is a member of the Concord company group, which is half owned by Yevgeny Prigozhin.[1][2] Based in St. Petersburg, Russia, it owns and operates several restaurants. It is also the parent company of Concord Catering.[2]


quote:

Subsidiaries
Concord Catering
LLC Agat
LLC Megaline

This post was edited on 5/15/18 at 7:26 pm
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