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Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:31 am to Wednesday
Did the woman actually use the word rape or not?
If she didn't, why would the media?
If she didn't, why would the media?
Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:45 am to SG_Geaux
Roy Moore’s accuser didn’t use the words child molester, yet members of the media, elected officials, and people posting about it on this board have - with no alleged as a caveat.
I should have said “alleged”
Rape in my OT - And the reason it bothers me is that use of the thing the person is accused of is completely inconsistent based on the political affiliation of the accused.
As someone pointed out earlier, if this was some kind of consensual relationship, then why bother reporting it?
Alleged no Consensual sexual intercourse is alleged RAPE. The NYT is protecting its own. And it’s dispicable.
I should have said “alleged”
Rape in my OT - And the reason it bothers me is that use of the thing the person is accused of is completely inconsistent based on the political affiliation of the accused.
As someone pointed out earlier, if this was some kind of consensual relationship, then why bother reporting it?
Alleged no Consensual sexual intercourse is alleged RAPE. The NYT is protecting its own. And it’s dispicable.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:57 am to NC_Tigah
quote:there are some classes of relationships where there is an automatic state of duress... Work superiors and subordinates is one, teacher and students, coach and player, and any activity involving an on-duty law officer are some too. It's impossible to give fair and informed consent when a power dynamic exists that might create consequences if someone involved says "no"
Unbutton your blouse".
"Oh, okay Matt . . . here you go."
Is that really duress in Louisiana?
Seriously?
Posted on 11/30/17 at 10:04 am to chalmetteowl
Correct. If someone is your boss. They can boss you around. If they take advantage of that position of authority it is completely despicable.
I don’t know if that is what Lauer actually did -but it sure sounds like what he’s accused of doing.
A good writer. A good journalist. An intellectually honest person wouldn’t sugar coat it.
I don’t know if that is what Lauer actually did -but it sure sounds like what he’s accused of doing.
A good writer. A good journalist. An intellectually honest person wouldn’t sugar coat it.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 10:23 am to Wednesday
quote:
Right. Then call it an alleged RAPE
I havent seen her allege rape yet. Why call it allege rape? Rape is a very serious accusation that shouldn't just be thrown around. If someone has actually alleged rape, that change things, but i havent seen it yet.
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Why in the world did she lose consciousness?
how would i know that? If she agreed to get fricked over a chair and did it with her knees locked out and the chair pressing into her ribs it would be easy to pass out without realizing it was going to happen.
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 10:25 am
Posted on 11/30/17 at 10:32 am to chalmetteowl
quote:Right; and in the instance of a willing producer, you'd have one hell of an uphill climb to make that case . . . even in Louisiana.
there are some classes of relationships where there is an automatic state of duress...
Posted on 11/30/17 at 10:57 am to NC_Tigah
quote:that falls under superior/subordinate... And superior is defined as someone who has the success of a subordinate in their hands.
Right; and in the instance of a willing producer, you'd have one hell of an uphill climb to make that case . . . even in Louisiana.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:08 am to ell_13
Just like the word Hero.... Before a man that ran into a burning building to save some kids was a HERO!
Now a 12 yr old that grabbed his math book back from a bully is a NAtional hero!
Now a 12 yr old that grabbed his math book back from a bully is a NAtional hero!
Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:31 am to Wednesday
Many rape victims choose to play along and not resist, in order to not escalate a bad situation. It is not evidence that a rape did not occur.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:58 am to Wednesday
quote:
She said the anchor then stepped out from behind his desk, pulled down her pants, bent her over a chair and had intercourse with her.
There's a key phrase missing in this paragraph. I'm not saying the phrase didn't occur. But, there's a missing phrase if you want your thread title to be correct.
quote:See above
Forced sexual intercourse is not "sexual assault."
Posted on 11/30/17 at 12:00 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
There are suspiciously missing elements in her description. Frankly the incident sounds consensual. Unless the woman was drugged or inebriated, the episode as described was not rape.
Yup.
And the fact this isn't obvious should scare every man alive.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 12:01 pm to Wednesday
quote:We don't. You also don't know she was.
How do you know she wasn’t drugged - or physically overpowered.
quote:This isn't unheard of.
How does consensual sex cause someone to lose consciousness?
quote:If he drugged her, wouldn't part of her story be "after I came in to his office, he gave me a drink"?
Striking someone over the head? Can lose consciousness. Strangling someone? Can lose consciousness. Drugging someone? Can lose conciousness.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 12:03 pm to Jimbeaux
quote:
The article doesn’t use words like “made me pull down my pants”, “forced me to the chair”, “kept me from leaving”, or any other words that you would expect in a rape allegation. It’s strange.
And the ONLY time they discuss consent in the article, she says "YES!"(opening shirt)
Posted on 11/30/17 at 12:24 pm to HubbaBubba
quote:
Interesting. I was thinking if she went to a "company" nurse then who swept this under the rug? If Zucker was who ordered that, he is definitely next. Facilitating rape culture because it's your star doing the raping isn't a good look.
Imagine if congress found out they had a secret fund and support system for this kind of thing. They probably be shocked and disgusted..,
Posted on 11/30/17 at 12:38 pm to Wednesday
Guy asks girl, "Do you want to play the rape game?"
Girl says, "No!"
Guy says, "That's the spirit!"
Girl says, "No!"
Guy says, "That's the spirit!"
Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:11 pm to Wednesday
quote:
MSM cannot call it what it is - Rape
Yeah, if Matt Lauer did what he is accused of doing, he should do some serious time. That is fricking rape.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:15 pm to Wednesday
Posted on 11/30/17 at 5:13 pm to chalmetteowl
quote:No.
that falls under superior/subordinate...
It falls under news personality and producer.
It "falls under" common sense.
There is no way in hell Lauer would be criminally accountable for engaging in consensual sex with an NBC Producer.
Sorry!
No way.
Clarence Darrow couldn't make that case.
Now if the POS slipped her a roofie, or forced himself on her, it is unquestionably criminal conduct. But that is not being suggested by the Producer as far as I can tell
Posted on 11/30/17 at 5:30 pm to chalmetteowl
quote:
there are some classes of relationships where there is an automatic state of duress... Work superiors and subordinates is one, teacher and students, coach and player, and any activity involving an on-duty law officer are some too. It's impossible to give fair and informed consent when a power dynamic exists that might create consequences if someone involved says "no"
DISCLAIMER: I genuinely don’t understand how this works and am not trying to spin this one way or the other. So don’t come at me with that “what about Trump/Hillary/Franken/Moore/LizardPeople?” bullshite. I am also not implying anything about consent or lack thereof in this particular case.
That said, here’s a hypothetical situation:
My secretary is smokin hot. She’s kinda into me because I hang out on the OT and my butlers bring me bitcoin on silver platters all day. I ask her out on a date. She says yes. After we get out of my lambo at her place, we screw like rabbits.
Am I to believe that this scenario constitutes rape just because she’s my employee? You can argue that it makes me a shitty person and that HR should shitcan me, sure. But if this literally translates to rape then that law is just stupid.
What the hell is the difference between the “duress” incurred by a woman hoping for a promotion at work vs. anyone who ever bangs a rich guy?
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