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re: More evidence of a setup on J6, but this part didn’t go according to plan.

Posted on 1/29/25 at 11:45 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/29/25 at 11:45 am to
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Mate do you support the confirmation of RFK2 and Tulsi?


Yes, why wouldn't I?

I think RFK is a bit looney and super Leftist on regulations, but he's the nominee.

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You never go on record for anything of substance

I've been focusing on real areas of discussion like Trump's EO strategy and the likely effectiveness of specific options.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/29/25 at 11:46 am to
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The magazine was probably full of blanks. Was going to be an acting skit on their part.


The magazine is irrelevant. Those LEO would have been justified to open fire on a firearm without a magazine (as if they'd even know).

Tamir Rice ring a bell?

Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 1/29/25 at 11:59 am to
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The whole situation is strange but doesn’t prove a set up on its surface


I think it’s clear that this video proves that Capitol police had a weird plan that doesn’t fit with standard law enforcement protection of a building.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
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Posted on 1/29/25 at 12:04 pm to
pretty confusing set of circumstances = could well be a setup/
Posted by epbart
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Posted on 1/29/25 at 12:09 pm to
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So the Capitol Police did a setup where they drop a mag and gun by 2 different officers, but the fake protestor working with them can't locate the magazine...which he was using to shoot the Capitol Police he was working with?


You're being intentionally obtuse.

The implication is:
1) that the cops were trying to entrap a protestor by putting a non-functioning weapon there where it could be picked up by a protestor... with the magazine close enough to create the appearance that the gun and magazine were together when the protestors clashed with the police.
2) a protestor stupidly fell for it and pointed it at the officers, getting himself into trouble, while the officers knew it could not hurt them.

If the protestor pointing the gun was in on the plot with the Capitol Police, he would more likely have carried his own non-functional weapon in and the Capitol Police wouldn't have needed to plant one for him. They would've just known who he was ahead of time. Further, placing a gun on the ground in front of a mob creates a meaningful chance a non-intended recipient picks it up. It makes no sense.

To be clear, I can't tell what the alleged magazine or other object on the ground is, or if the guy that ends up pointing something at the cops picked up the supposed gun or already had it on his person.

I am saying that "if" the Capitol Police placed a gun and a magazine on the ground in front of the incoming crowd, the most likely explanation is that they were hoping an actual protestor would pick it up in order to entrap them.
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 1/29/25 at 12:09 pm to
Posted by Robin Masters
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Posted on 1/29/25 at 12:10 pm to
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think it’s clear that this video proves that Capitol police had a weird plan that doesn’t fit with standard law enforcement protection of a building.


Without question
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 1/29/25 at 12:11 pm to
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Curious that he put on an orange hat at that particular moment. Was that to be some kind of signal?


It was so they knew who the plant was.
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
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Posted on 1/29/25 at 12:16 pm to
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Ok so the guy points a gun at police, they all see him, and none of them react to it at all?!?!

None of that makes sense.

Sure it does. The dude who picked the gun up is a Fed.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/29/25 at 12:20 pm to
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that the cops were trying to entrap a protestor b

That's not how entrapment works.

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a protestor stupidly fell for it and pointed it at the officers, getting himself into trouble,

He got in trouble? Link?

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If the protestor pointing the gun was in on the plot with the Capitol Police, he would more likely have carried his own non-functional weapon in and the Capitol Police wouldn't have needed to plant one for him.

Agreed. There is a lot of implication he was working with them, which doesn't make sense

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I am saying that "if" the Capitol Police placed a gun and a magazine on the ground in front of the incoming crowd, the most likely explanation is that they were hoping an actual protestor would pick it up in order to entrap them.

That's not entrapment

And this occurred and...the police did nothing
Posted by TS1926
Alabama
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Posted on 1/29/25 at 12:24 pm to
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Need to know who all 3 officers were and testify under oath. All 3 should be fired immediately.


- Do you believe this guy accidently tossed the magazine on the floor while the others ignored it? Is this incompetence on display? Oh please!
- Or do you believe these guys hatched this plan on their own? Once again, Oh please!
- Or was this a plan handed down to these guys?
This post was edited on 1/29/25 at 12:25 pm
Posted by TS1926
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Posted on 1/29/25 at 12:31 pm to
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Sure it does. The dude who picked the gun up is a Fed


You can see how they've gaslit and fooled a large majority of Americans about Jan 06.
Most of the people in thread are confused. They take it as the actions seen on video are organic. It hasn't dawned on them the police in the video are acting out a staged event. The blind part of the event are the Capitol protestors who are not FEDS or UAs.
This video reminds me of the video where D.C. police walking directly past the so-called "pipe bomb," It's in plain sight and they just ignore it.
This post was edited on 1/29/25 at 12:32 pm
Posted by TS1926
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Posted on 1/29/25 at 12:36 pm to
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The guy who picked up the gun was definitely in on the act. Was shocked that the plan was ruined and that the magazine wasn't there, then went into retreat mode and left.


Notice his orange hat? In these staged events, individuals carrying out certain roles wear a specific-colored hat or jacket to identify their specific purpose.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/29/25 at 12:39 pm to
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It hasn't dawned on them the police in the video are acting out a staged event.

No people understand the CT, it just doesn't make sense.

The linear explanation doesn't make sense, either, FWIW.
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 1/29/25 at 12:51 pm to
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pretty confusing set of circumstances = could well be a setup/


Even of the Capitol police were falling down drunk, they would be hard pressed to accidently drop a magazine and not notice it.

This is another "pipe bomb" setup.
Posted by TS1926
Alabama
Member since Jan 2020
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Posted on 1/29/25 at 12:59 pm to
[quote]The linear explanation doesn't make sense, either, FWIW.[/quote/]

Sure it does. Gun, magazines on the floor of the Capitol building add to the graveness of the “insurrection.”
I believe whatever the gun, magazine drop was intended did not go as exactly planned.
It’s similar to the fake pipe bombs. Increase the appearance of Jan 06 as the “attack on Democracy.”
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/29/25 at 1:02 pm to
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Gun, magazines on the floor of the Capitol building add to the graveness of the “insurrection.”

And this was so important we find out about it 4 years later?

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I believe whatever the gun, magazine drop was intended did not go as exactly planned.

Of course. When it doesn't make sense, an intervening cause happened. That's the CT M.O.

Had the gun had a magazine, what, exactly do you think it was going to do? Kill the Capitol Police in on the scheme? That's the only difference in variables that makes sense.
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 1/29/25 at 1:13 pm to
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I think the video leads to far more questions than answers and it isn’t conclusive that two different cops dropped the magazine and the gun.


To avoid later confusion, we should say that the magazine was thrown, not dropped. It was clearly intentional, although why he threw it against a wall so that it would ricochet onto the floor is unknown.
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 1/29/25 at 1:17 pm to
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Had the gun had a magazine, what, exactly do you think it was going to do? Kill the Capitol Police in on the scheme? That's the only difference in variables that makes sense.


Could’ve had blanks. Could’ve been a planned fake shoot out with cops who also had blanks. Then a staged medical evacuation, just like some alleged with Ashley Babbit.

Yes, it’s a stretch, but it’s more believable than someone, a supposed insurrectionist, pointing a gun at Capitol Police for a long 2-3 seconds without them responding AT ALL, much less shooting him dead on the spot.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/29/25 at 1:25 pm to
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Could’ve had blanks.

What would that have done?

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Could’ve been a planned fake shoot out with cops who also had blanks.

The LEO would have shot back at him once he pointed the gun at them, regardless. That didn't happen, so it wasn't the plan.

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Then a staged medical evacuation, just like some alleged with Ashley Babbit.

Ok NOW we're getting spicy

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