re: More American women are single than ever before—and it’s costing them big money

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Can anyone point to my post stating that people should get paid to do chores?

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It’s like when you make your kid earn a toy instead of just giving it to them. People tend to not value things they get for free.

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Maybe if you would communicate clearly and connect all the dots instead of just repeating part of your point as though everyone could read your mind to fill in the rest and put it in the context you mean it in you wouldn't be misunderstood.

(This is another thing my wife habitually does, btw. Like, every time.)

So the point is that women are undervalued because they do unpaid labor and the perception is that only labor that is paid is valuable.

Here's my counter point.

Men do the most dangerous and/or physically exhausting jobs in society. Logging, roughnecking, maintaining cell tower and electricity lines, bricklaying, heavy construction, commercial fishing, roofing, truck driving, refuse workers, derrick operators, and structural metal workers and they occupy those positions (depending on which ones) at a disproportionate rate of anywhere between 85%-99%. And they get paid for doing those things.

And women do not value men at all for doing them.

They also comprise 100% of the front line military positions, which means they will be the cannon fodder if we engage in a military action.

Yet I see young women say over and over that society doesn't need men and that they bring nothing to the table, when in reality society as we know it would cease to exist without men, as not only are women not willing to do the jobs listed above at high enough rates to perpetuate them, they simply physically cannot do many of them.

So there goes that theory.

I mean, men need women and women need men. It’s kinda important. It’s almost as if they’re theoretically equal in status but not identical because they have complimentary skillsets.

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Women absolutely value that work. You will never see a woman claiming logging or roofing is easy.

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I've seen woman after women dismiss the difficulty of it and claim that women could do it just as well. With my own two eyes and heard it with my own two ears, so the gaslighting won't work.

Young women have been brainwashed into believing that women really can physically compete with men. That was evident when the media blew up on John McEnroe making the statement that Serena Williams would be ranked around 700th in the men's tennis division. You see it now with the controversy about men in women's sports.

There are now large segments of the American population that live in a fantasy world regarding how much more physically capable men are than women.

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Is this argument that Because society can’t exist without men, that proves women are valued? Is that the theory you were referring to?

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Again, the logic speaks for itself. I can't make you understand it, and I'm not going to allow you to bait me into spending more time trying to explain it more clearly.

I will say that I will bet $50 there's not a man reading this thread who doesn't understand how the logic of what I posted applies.

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That’s not fair.

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What's not fair? It's a friggin' compliment, Cubs

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Is this argument that Because society can’t exist without men, that proves women are valued? Is that the theory you were referring to?

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Men's value to society = women's value to society.

No ifs ands or buts.

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Is this argument that Because society can’t exist without men, that proves women are valued?

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NO!!

His argument is society can’t exist without men.
His argument is society can’t exist without women.

Are you debating that?

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The message being, if marriage fails, the guy goes on with his job. But the woman who sacrificed career for a domestic role, is screwed.

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You know, except she gets the house, the vehicles, the kids, and he has to pay her a majority of his paycheck every other week. So yeah, other than that, she's screwed.

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So yeah, other than that, she's screwed.

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Right. but run those numbers 15 yrs out from an equivalent earnings potential. Couple meets in school. She's the better student, but after graduation, she drops from the workplace to raise a traditional family. 20yrs later he decides boffing his 25y/o secretary is worth it, and divorces. She could have been making at least his income had she pushed career over family. Instead, the kids are gone, she's lost her marketability, and she's rendered dependent on half the income she'd be earning had she stayed in the workplace. The fact is, giving up career leaves women uniquely vulnerable to a midlife "trade in".

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She could have been making at least his income had she pushed career over family.

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This is a white collar college grad problem.

In blue collar households it's still better for one parent to work, especially if the man can get into a trade.

The idea that there are well paying jobs for women without a college degree is a leftist dream.

But yes, men need to commit when a woman commits.