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re: More American women are single than ever before—and it’s costing them big money
Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:39 pm to weagle1999
Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:39 pm to weagle1999
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We live in a feminized society where women are depicted as the all knowing bosses in any pop culture setting
Is the argument that because the mom on a sitcom is portrayed smarter than the dad on the sitcom, it’s proof that societal values women?
I don’t really watch movies or TV but I read Gone Girl and that was made into a movie about a woman abusing a man.
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Why do ads feature fat women but never feature fat men? (So that women feel good about themselves, and ‘body positivity’ only applies to women)
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The NFL celebrates Breast Cancer Month…why not Prostate Cancer Month?
That’s a great question for the NFL. I didn’t know prostate cancer has a month. Susan Komen is a massive grift.
quote:most likely because a draft is not in effect.
Why aren’t women lobbying to be included in the military draft in the US?
This post was edited on 8/22/25 at 9:41 pm
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Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:41 pm to 4cubbies
quote:Ahh, strawman approach
Is the argument that because the mom on a sitcom is portrayed smarter than the dad on the sitcom, it’s proof that societal values women?
quote:Ahh,the fake stupidity approach.
most likely because a draft is not in effect.
Same shite, different day
Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:49 pm to Narax
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s he holding her back from her life long dream of making PowerPoint for a soulless international conglomerate by making her spend all day with her children she loves?
This is expecting her to sacrifice (taking care of kids is easier than making a PowerPoint?) while also mocking ambitious women.
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Are you saying people need to live on one salary?
Rather traditional of you.
I’m saying women shouldn’t be penalized for being the primary caregivers for their kids, as they are expected to be.
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I'm sure your husband would love to stay home, I would, most men would.
He would love to stay home with no responsibilities. I don’t know that he would love to manage the household instead of going to work. Lucky for me, I get to do both.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:03 pm to 4cubbies
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I’m saying societal structures in place exploit women. Women are expected to sacrifice and serve. Women are expected to be the primary caregivers of their children but are often penalized if performing those duties interferes with working outside of the home. Women-dominated professions are mocked and ridiculed. Women are disparaged for being ambitious or assertive
These are all opinions that you’ve been convinced are true regardless of numerous examples to the contrary. You’ve been convinced to identify with your gender as a class and used as a political tool by those that want to divide everyone to cement power.
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saying societal structures in place exploit women
Such as?
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Women are expected to sacrifice and serve.
Historically men were conscripted to fight and die. Men are still expected, by women, to support the family. How do men sacrifice or serve less?
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Women are expected to be the primary caregivers of their children but are often penalized if performing those duties interferes with working outside of the home
“Expected”? That’s biology and psychology Cubs and a lot of women choose to do this…and are ridiculed more by other women than men. How are they penalized by choosing to care for their kids?
I could go on but you get my point. The problem with these arguments is they ignore the countless millions of women that apparently have no issues doing quite well within this same system. You’ve been conditioned and won’t be as “sad” if you take a step back and realize that a lot of this jaded world that hangs over you is a construct that’s not accurate.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:07 pm to 4cubbies
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4cubbies
I respect the fact that you are swimming against the stream on this board
And I’m not knocking the board. It takes fortitude to endure ridicule and downvotes.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:09 pm to weagle1999
I do too which is why I try to give reasonable replies. I have sympathy for Cubs because she’s a true believer and doesn’t seem very happy. The most evil thing progressives do is convince people they’re powerless because of their social class and how the whole system is bent against them.
This post was edited on 8/22/25 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:35 pm to SquatchDawg
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I do too which is why I try to give reasonable replies. I have sympathy for Cubs because she’s a true believer and doesn’t seem very happy. The most evil thing progressives do is convince people they’re powerless because of their social class and how the whole system is bent against them.
Condescension noted.
Can you even name what I’m a true believer of? I’m sure I will be tickled by your response.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:51 pm to SquatchDawg
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These are all opinions that you’ve been convinced are true regardless of numerous examples to the contrary.
Are you sure my experiences as a woman don’t influence me?
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You’ve been convinced to identify with your gender as a class and used as a political tool by those that want to divide everyone to cement power.
No. I’m just a woman living in the world.
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Historically men were conscripted to fight and die. Men are still expected, by women, to support the family. How do men sacrifice or serve less?
Men get paid to be in the military. Women risk their lives every time they get pregnant and their reward is medical bills. I do recognize that your aren’t denying that women are expected to sacrifice and serve, you’re just saying men are too.
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How are they penalized by choosing to care for their kids?
In the workplace.
quote:i think most woman out there are doing quite well within this system, including myself. That’s just having tenacity.
they ignore the countless millions of women that apparently have no issues doing quite well within this same system
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You’ve been conditioned and won’t be as “sad” if you take a step back and realize that a lot of this jaded world that hangs over you is a construct that’s not accurate.
I live in Louisiana and have been educated in Louisiana. Who would have conditioned me to think this way? And this is a very misogynistic take. Why wouldn’t I be able to develop my own ideas about the world in which I live?
Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:51 pm to 4cubbies
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This is expecting her to sacrifice (taking care of kids is easier than making a PowerPoint?) while also mocking ambitious women.
I'm saying women would have to be retarded to think making a PowerPoint is more important than their children...
Of course I'll mock any idiot who sacrifices their family for their career, they are going to wind up alone and miserable.
I've seen plenty.
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I’m saying women shouldn’t be penalized for being the primary caregivers for their kids, as they are expected to be.
I would point out the penalty is wanting enough money that both parents think they need to work.
No one is forcing them to both work.
You just have to give things up.
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I don’t know that he would love to manage the household instead of going to work.
I bet you he would.
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Lucky for me, I get to do both.
Yes but isn't that a choice?
We took a different choice. Sacrifice that lovely money to have one's children grow up with their mother available.
Do you give up things? Of course. We decided we didn't want the things we were giving up that bad.
I doubt either of you make so little money that you would instantly go into poverty if one of you stayed home with the children.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 11:06 pm to 4cubbies
Not trying to be condescending. I truly have sympathy for somebody that seems sad (your word, not mine) due to perceived societal issues caused by people of a different political ideology. It can’t be a fun place to be.
By true believer I mean you really do think the system is bent against women, probably all minorities, the poor don’t get enough, illegal immigrants are being treated unfairly, everyone should get free healthcare, everyone should get a living wage, everyone should have affordable housing…etc. and the main barrier to this are the conservatives/republicans/MAGA people. You’re coming from a compassionate viewpoint. I respect that.
That’s just my observation from an anonymous message board so if I’m wrong I’m good with that.
By true believer I mean you really do think the system is bent against women, probably all minorities, the poor don’t get enough, illegal immigrants are being treated unfairly, everyone should get free healthcare, everyone should get a living wage, everyone should have affordable housing…etc. and the main barrier to this are the conservatives/republicans/MAGA people. You’re coming from a compassionate viewpoint. I respect that.
That’s just my observation from an anonymous message board so if I’m wrong I’m good with that.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 11:32 pm to 4cubbies
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Are you sure my experiences as a woman don’t influence me?
We all have experiences. If you’re told over and over there is a glass ceiling and you don’t get a raise you expect - what conclusion do you draw? Is it that glass ceiling you’ve been told over and over exists or is it something else? As a white guy I have to assume I did something wrong. I haven’t been convinced that it’s because of society.
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Men get paid to be in the military. Women risk their lives every time they get pregnant and their reward is medical bills. I do recognize that your aren’t denying that women are expected to sacrifice and serve, you’re just saying men are too.
We all have to sacrifice and serve to some extent. Thats part of being a competent adult and especially a parent. And yes, being a mom is scary stuff. I’ve been in the delivery room twice and respect the hell out of what my wife went through. That’s biology though.
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In the workplace
There is no job for a man or woman that is going to reward a long leave of absence or less than 100% focus on work. Anyone that does this will fall behind…man or woman.
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think most woman out there are doing quite well within this system, including myself. That’s just having tenacity.
Tenacity is the key for both men and women. Ive seen women say they have to be twice as tenacious to succeed … but actually I think it’s “just as” all things being equal.
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Who would have conditioned me to think this way? And this is a very misogynistic take. Why wouldn’t I be able to develop my own ideas about the world in which I live?
We’re all a victim of outside influences. Women get bombarded that they’re somehow less of a woman if they don’t chew arse in the corporate world. The original feminist movement threw shade in stay at home moms. At the same time, it’s a constant drum beat that the reason for income disparity is systemic sexism. The very OP implies sexism is still rampant in wages for women.
It’s not just women too. Men recently have been told that being masculine is toxic, looking at women makes you creepy, mansplaining was an actual word.
All that said…if you’re message is women aren’t appreciated enough for the shite they do…I don’t have an argument for that…although I can make the same argument as the sole provider for a family for 18 years. If it’s that this is due to societal sexism then I disagree.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 5:21 am to 4cubbies
quote:Cubs, I cannot imagine a more misandric take than what you've espoused here. You represent men as overbearing, self-interested, societal impediments who would actually hate women if they didn't devalue them so much that there's little left worth the effort of hating.
And this is a very misogynistic take
Then you're audacious enough to label pushback against those vicious misperceptions as "a very misogynistic take"?
For a touch of reality, re-read this ...
quote:.... now imagine if you were one of your kids reading it. ... Your "reward" for being their Mom is medical bills and workplace penalty? Really?
Women risk their lives every time they get pregnant and their reward is medical bills.... penalized by choosing to care for their kids
Posted on 8/23/25 at 6:35 am to SquatchDawg
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. I truly have sympathy for somebody that seems sad (your word, not mine) due to perceived societal issues caused by people of a different political ideology.
I said that it makes me sad that an attractive older woman felt like she needed extensive cosmetic modifications to be accepted by a political movement. If you are proud of that, that explicitly supports my argument that women are only valued if they have good looks.
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By true believer I mean you really do think the system is bent against women, probably all minorities, the poor don’t get enough, illegal immigrants are being treated unfairly, everyone should get free healthcare, everyone should get a living wage, everyone should have affordable housing…etc and the main barrier to this are the conservatives/republicans/MAGA people.
I said society doesn’t value women or children and have a list of evidence that supports my argument. I didn’t limit society to only conservatives/republicans/MAGA people
This post was edited on 8/23/25 at 6:36 am
Posted on 8/23/25 at 6:47 am to NC_Tigah
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who would actually hate women if they didn't devalue them so much that there's little left worth the effort of hating.
Men want to have sex with women so women are valued as objects of sexual desire and as providers of unpaid labor (child rearing and managing households).
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Then you're audacious enough to label pushback against those vicious misperceptions as "a very misogynistic take"?
I labeled the accusation that i only hold these opinions because I’ve been “conditioned” to accept them as a very misogynistic take. Despite being a woman, I do posses the ability to analyze my own experiences and observations and derive meaning from them.
quote:those are the societal rewards for being a mother, yes.
Your "reward" for being their Mom is medical bills and workplace penalty?
“Why should society be stuck with a bill because you choose to have a kid? If you are a woman and get pregnant who realizes you can’t afford the medical bills so you have an abortion, frick you baby killer. Oh you decided to have the baby but Can’t afford to take leave from work to recover physically from having the baby and to care for the newborn? Should have figured out how to be rich before you got pregnant.”
Posted on 8/23/25 at 6:56 am to 4cubbies
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I don’t know that he would love to manage the household instead of going to work.
You act like this is hard.
It isn't.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 7:04 am to 4cubbies
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I’m saying women shouldn’t be penalized for being the primary caregivers for their kids, as they are expected to be
What exactly is the penalty?
Posted on 8/23/25 at 7:06 am to 4cubbies
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Men get paid to be in the military. Women risk their lives every time they get pregnant and their reward is medical bills
These two are in no way equivalent. Not even close.
Either way, either the man or the state pays the bills so....
Posted on 8/23/25 at 7:09 am to 4cubbies
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Society didn’t value them either. It’s definitely not a new phenomenon.
For a section of society that held no value, society sure did come up with a myriad of items, goods and services just to help them make their tasks around the home easier.
If society did not value them, society would not have cared.
You have still not even come close to proving this lack of value claim.
This post was edited on 8/23/25 at 8:23 am
Posted on 8/23/25 at 7:17 am to 4cubbies
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I'm not making a personal argument here, this is a statement about society at large. This isn't a laundry list of personal grievances
Yes you are making a personal argument here and everything you have said is exactly a laundry list of personal grievances. Your argument is based upon nothing more than how you feel about society. This is about you. Nothing more. If I were you, I would contact NC_Tigah. He is trying to help. Maybe he can.
But to sit here and complain about not being paid for childrearing? That is just absurdity. You do get paid BTW. You got a house to live in, clothes to wear, food to eat and even a car to drive.....all for free under structured societal norms that many women were unhappy with. We have all reared children, cooked and cleaned a house. It isn't hard work.
This post was edited on 8/23/25 at 7:25 am
Posted on 8/23/25 at 7:19 am to UtahCajun
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You act like this is hard.
It isn't.
You don’t value the unpaid labor your wife did for 18 years. You didn’t do the work. A woman did so it must be easy.
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