re: More American women are single than ever before—and it’s costing them big money

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You talked about disparity in pay between men and women. You have been called out several times.
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Did you read the OP? Obviously not but that’s the claim in the OP.

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No. It is not.

The OP addresses women EARNING about $0.83 per dollar to men.

Should a woman who works 6.5hr days earn the same money as her male colleagues who work 8hr days? If so, then you're contending women should be PAID ~25% MORE than men.

Workplace hours and overtime are one issue.
Earnings complacency is another.
E.g., You say you " don't compare your earnings to the earnings of others." That's something most men wouldn't or couldn't say. Men tend to be far less complacent and far more competitive with earnings and pay. There are several reasons for that, but I'll not digress.

Case in point:
After proof of concept with "Morning Joe," Joe Scarborough negotiated substantial personal pay raises with MSNBC management. As that process evolved, co-worker Mika Brzezinski found out there was suddenly a 4-fold pay disparity between Scarborough and herself. She was pissed. She raved about sexism. She fumed about workplace bias. She finally took her rant to Scarborough. He asked her if she'd approached management with her own pay raise requests..... NOPE! Go figure. When she did, voila! She received a raise.

My experience is men and women have similar startpoints as new equivalent employees. From there, women negotiate lifestyle (more time off, fewer hours, more flexible scheduling). Men negotiate income increases. Founded in that tendency is the gender earnings differential.

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you're playing semantics

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No cubs. I don't do that. But you're heavily invested in the gender pay gap as being indicative of some horrible discriminatory social disorder. I'm trying to show you that it isn't ... at least nowhere approaching the levels you lament.

E.g.,

• A man gets paid $25/hr. He works 8hrs/d x 5d/wk. So he earns $1000/wk

• A woman gets paid $25/hr. she works 6.5hrs/d x 5d/wk. So she earns $812/wk.



But in your terms, she's only getting paid 81% of what the man is paid.

That is not "semantics." It's a misunderstanding or misuse of terminology.

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as it relates to women being paid less.

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Read the studies that show these kinds of numbers carefully. A lot of them cherry pick their variables (unethically) to get the outcome they want. A frequently excluded variable is tenure/ experience, for example.

Logically, companies would never hire men if women work for pennies on the dollar.

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I'm not heavily invested in it at all.

Society doesn't value women, in my opinion.

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That is heavy investment, cubs.

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Society doesn't value women, in my opinion

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I don't care.

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Yet you opine, incredibly, "society doesn't value women"?

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I'm not heavily invested in it at all. 

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Your words =/= your actions.

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whether it exists or not. I don't care

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Why so many posts saying it does if you don't care?

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Society doesn't value women, in my opinion. Excluding any variants in pay between genders from the metrics I used to support my argument would not invalidate it.

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What would invalidate it? I ask, because though it is beyond untrue, perception is reality. I'd like to try to change your perception.

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I'd like to try to change your perception.

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This board is not where you will be able to convince a woman that society values her.

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Geze Cub you need to change the type of men you hang around or change how you view the men you hang around with.

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It's not the men in my life, it's the systems and attitudes in America.

Female-dominated professions are constantly belittled and ridiculed. Women are not supported at all after they have a baby in most of the country while simultaneously being criticized for not having enough babies. Generally, women are valued based on their looks and nothing more. We see it even with Kristi Noem here. Posters objectify a 50+ year old woman who felt like she needed extensive cosmetic work done to be accepted by a political movement. That makes me sad.