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re: Mom: School Social Groomer Facilitates “Transition” Of 13 Y.O. Without Her Knowledge….

Posted on 12/17/22 at 9:03 pm to
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 12/17/22 at 9:03 pm to
Can y'all take your religious spat somewhere else? We are trying to hate on deviant prog educators here.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/17/22 at 9:15 pm to
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Pure cowardice on your part
Not cowardice at all because what was commanded wasn't objectively evil due to both who commanded it and why it was commanded.

I don't mean to say that what God commands is good because God commands it (as if what is 'good' or 'evil' is arbitrary based on what God says or does at any given time), but that God cannot do anything but that which is good because He does that which is in His nature to do, and His nature is perfectly good and holy.

The reason why it was good for the Israelites to destroy the Canaanites is because it was execution of God's perfect and holy justice against a people who God had given land to and blessed with His common grace yet who did not honor God as God and did what was detestable in His sight.

God can take the lives of any of His creatures as He pleases, and the Canaanites are no different. God can also choose to use instruments to exact justice, as He did with the Israelites. God punished the people of Canaan for their wickedness and used the Israelites to do it. God has the authority and the obligation to punish sin, and that's what He did.

What would be objectively evil is if human beings, of our own accord, went into a place and killed all the people there without warrant, because it would be considered murder to do so due to our lack of authority to do so on our own.

Just as there is a distinction between a civilian taking the life of a person they don't like (murder) and the government putting to death a criminal (capital punishment), so too does the context matter in this.

Understanding the context isn't cowardice.

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It absolutely is rape and you, personally, are a pure piece of shite for excusing it in your cowardice.
It isn't, but even if it were, you have no basis in your worldview for judging me or anyone else on this point.

Have you admitted that your lack of objective moral reasoning inherent in your worldview precludes you from making such moral judgements, or are you too cowardly to do so? See? Others can arbitrarily call people cowards as the please, too.

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I have refuted this pretty soundly but just keep repeating your little canned maxims. You're a coward and a fool.
What have you refuted? You have said that empathy provides an objective source for morality but haven't shown why that is the case. I, on the other hand, provided reasoning for why empathy doesn't provide a basis for objective morality and can't, and you haven't responded to that at all other than to say "well yours isn't any better" (paraphrase).

No, empathy cannot provide a basis for objective morality, and I'll repeat why in a different way:

1. Empathy is an emotion based on a chemical reaction that is experienced in the individual. By definition, it's subjective because it originates from within rather than is enforced from without.
2. Empathy is an arbitrary designation for morality. Anger, lust, jealousy, fear, or any other number of emotions could be used instead as a subjective means for morality.
3. Empathy isn't experienced by every person, and not everyone experiences empathy the same way. Empathy is also based on experience, and if a person has no experiential context for a given action, they cannot empathize the same way as a person who does have that context.
4. Empathy is often times the reason why immoral actions are taken. People do some really terrible things because they think it's for the good of others all the time.

Please explain how empathy is an "objective" source of morality given what I've laid out for you.
This post was edited on 12/17/22 at 9:23 pm
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/17/22 at 9:18 pm to
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So do you find claiming that belief in your personal deity of choice is the only path to morality is effective means of reaching out? Or are really unable to grasp how stupid, arrogant, and insulting that claim is?
I believe it's an effective means of both showing how bankrupt a godless worldview is, as well as an encouragement for others who recognize the truth of the gospel but have a hard time articulating it in this sort of context. I wish I had others willing to engage in this level of apologetical discussion that I could learn from when I was younger.

The truth shines light on lies, and the arrogant one is the one who refuses to change their ways when the lies that they hold to have been uncovered.
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 12/17/22 at 9:18 pm to
what happens when one of these kids commits suicide?
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 12/17/22 at 9:23 pm to
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Samuel Roy


What does this critter identify as? If a he/him, WTF is he doing involved at all?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/17/22 at 9:26 pm to
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what happens when one of these kids commits suicide?


Nothing.

LINK
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 12/17/22 at 9:46 pm to
Some idiots like foomanchoo think morality comes from their deity. Though they are really just following natural morality ingrained into their brains through DNA and normal human interaction, they claim morality can only come through their deity.

They can’t see for example their god is an immoral nut. They believe the foundation of their morality is this guy from Ur named Abraham, who tricked and screwed over the pharaoh, sold his wife for livestock as a concubine to the pharaoh, had slaves, impregnated his slaves, and rather than showing normal human morality was going to slit the throat of his second son Isaac because his evil god YHWH told him to. YHWH doesn’t care about morality of his chosen people, only that they are loyal and obedient to him.

Maybe morality is derived from the deity that commanded Jacob, Joshua, Samson, and others to murder and plunder the ammonites, amelekites, moabites, philistines, and many of the Canaanite groups? Maybe morality can only come from the god who hardened pharaoh’s heart so that he’d have an excuse to rain plagues down upon Egypt and kill all their firstborns?

People don’t realize they are worshipping a very evil god, and that their morality actually comes from nature.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 12/17/22 at 9:47 pm to
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Can y'all take your religious spat somewhere else? We are trying to hate on deviant prog educators here.


No kidding.

I welcome all people no matter their creed or dogma — Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, Hindu, or non-believer — who condemns this anti-scientific and frankly insane “transgender” agenda.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34271 posts
Posted on 12/17/22 at 9:49 pm to
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Can y'all take your religious spat somewhere else? We are trying to hate on deviant prog educators here.


Deviant prog educators are part of the Church of the Woke. In short, this thread is also religious in nature.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
1815 posts
Posted on 12/17/22 at 9:54 pm to
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So yes, my fear of God orients my moral compass in a meaningful way.


Try doing what you know is right. Live by the golden rule. Don’t do what is right only because you fear punishment. If you can’t do what is right just because it is right, then you are a piece of shite.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
1815 posts
Posted on 12/17/22 at 10:01 pm to
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Social Worker Secretly Began Gender Transition for 13-Year-Old Girl in Maine Public School.…


In this age, one must send their kids to private school or homeschool them to avoid governmental and Marxist indoctrination and to avoid the psychos and violent trash.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
21831 posts
Posted on 12/17/22 at 10:08 pm to
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Though they are really just following natural morality


There’s no such thing.
Posted by the_truman_shitshow
Member since Aug 2021
2755 posts
Posted on 12/17/22 at 10:17 pm to
This would be the hill on which I die.

Posted by the_truman_shitshow
Member since Aug 2021
2755 posts
Posted on 12/17/22 at 10:21 pm to
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Maybe morality is derived from the deity that commanded...


As if you're in a position to determine what morality is?
Posted by the_truman_shitshow
Member since Aug 2021
2755 posts
Posted on 12/17/22 at 10:26 pm to
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without the Christian God he'd be unable to navigate ethics and morals


This is a self-refuting statement because you being in denial of a moral law-giver who alone is qualified to be the standard of perfect morality which is, by definition, makes "ethics and morals" existent.

With that said, from whom or what do you derive your set of ethics and morals?
This post was edited on 12/18/22 at 7:00 am
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
19616 posts
Posted on 12/17/22 at 10:53 pm to
The school groomers should all be put in jail.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41715 posts
Posted on 12/18/22 at 12:09 am to
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Some idiots like foomanchoo think morality comes from their deity. Though they are really just following natural morality ingrained into their brains through DNA and normal human interaction, they claim morality can only come through their deity.

They can’t see for example their god is an immoral nut. They believe the foundation of their morality is this guy from Ur named Abraham, who tricked and screwed over the pharaoh, sold his wife for livestock as a concubine to the pharaoh, had slaves, impregnated his slaves, and rather than showing normal human morality was going to slit the throat of his second son Isaac because his evil god YHWH told him to. YHWH doesn’t care about morality of his chosen people, only that they are loyal and obedient to him.

Maybe morality is derived from the deity that commanded Jacob, Joshua, Samson, and others to murder and plunder the ammonites, amelekites, moabites, philistines, and many of the Canaanite groups? Maybe morality can only come from the god who hardened pharaoh’s heart so that he’d have an excuse to rain plagues down upon Egypt and kill all their firstborns?

People don’t realize they are worshipping a very evil god, and that their morality actually comes from nature.
You're very quick to pass moral judgement for someone with no objective standard to use for that judgement.

It's incredible to see how ignorant people are of the logical ramifications of their own beliefs.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41715 posts
Posted on 12/18/22 at 12:15 am to
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Try doing what you know is right.
I do.

But why should anyone have to do what they think is right? Why not do what they think is wrong?

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Live by the golden rule.
I do.

But why should anyone live by the golden rule? Why not live for self and damn everyone else?

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Don’t do what is right only because you fear punishment.
I don't.

But why not do what you think is right because of fear, though? If you still think it's the right thing to do, what does it matter if you feel compelled to do it out of fear?

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If you can’t do what is right just because it is right, then you are a piece of shite.
I don't.

But what gives you the right to tell others what they should and shouldn't do? Isn't that your own opinion you are lobbing at everyone else, making judgements based on your own personal preferences?

Also, how do I know that I should do what I believe is right, and how do I know that if I don't do what I think is right that it really does make me a piece of excrement? If I adhere to pragmatism, I look around and see a lot of people doing pretty good in life doing what they know is wrong. Why should I care about the opinion of someone like you?
This post was edited on 12/18/22 at 12:28 am
Posted by TomBuchanan
East Egg, Long Island
Member since Jul 2019
6231 posts
Posted on 12/18/22 at 12:18 am to
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Disgusting. Wtf is a social worker doing at the school anyway? Those people are morons and can't teach people anything.



This will all change when we use social workers instead of police.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
47720 posts
Posted on 12/18/22 at 2:54 am to
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Other officials in the school also participated in the young girl’s social transition, using masculine pronouns to address her I hope the English teacher didn’t


Lol the English teacher would be one of the ones most likely too
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