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re: Milo on Jehovah’s Witness, Christian Scientists, Mormons, etc

Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:56 am to
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45561 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:56 am to
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I have grown weary of teaching to apostates like you who have abandoned the true faith in favor of a lie and continue to attack fellow Christian’s .
If you have a problem with the content of what I said, please let me know. I was expressing the teaching of Ephesians 4:15 which speaks to teaching others in a loving way rather than through belittling and demeaning them.

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You can not be helped until you abandon your PRIDE and submit to Christ.
I'm a Reformed Christian, meaning that I believe the Scriptures teach the "doctrines of grace" in terms of how man is saved. The entire emphasis of these doctrines is summed up in the phrase soli deo gloria, which is that I believe that all of salvation is for the glory of God, not the glory of man. I can take no pride in my salvation precisely because I believe the only thing I contribute to it is the sin that makes salvation necessary in the first place.

So no, I don't think it's a pride issue. I am submitting myself to Christ, who is the only head of the Church and who alone merits salvation.
Posted by Lizardman2
Member since Jan 2024
2410 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:02 pm to
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did he just pretend catholics aren't just as stupid?


No.

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worshipping a woman who had many kids as if she's still a virgin is just as ridiculous.


1. The Blessed Mother is honored and venerated. Apparently, you are not knowledgeable on the subject or you would clearly know the definitive lines that differentiate your ignorant remark.

2. The Blessed Mother only had Jesus.

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if he wants others to grow up, he should set an example. he's incredibly childish.


You just went on your own mini rant in the same way you're criticizing. Shame on you too.

Posted by TigerSprings
Southeast LA
Member since Jan 2019
2341 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:06 pm to
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You boil the entire 4000 year story of salvation history down to John 3:16


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I don't, and I can't help but consider the irony in you claiming Protestants are all doing this.


It's about the only thing that holds Protestantism together, once you go outside of it, you have to form another "Denomination", which is what we see happening over the last 500 years.
Posted by Guntoter1
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2020
1557 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:19 pm to
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'm a Reformed Christian, meaning that I believe the Scriptures teach the "doctrines of grace" in terms of how man is saved


You don’t believe the scriptures.
You deny them.

You reject Christ command to Eat and drink of his body.

You reject Christs will that we confess our sins to his chosen apostles and that they are ordained by God as men to truly have the power to forgive.

You reject the primacy of the Pope spoken in Christ own words when he gave Peter the keys to heaven and the power to bind and to loosen.

You refuse to do what Saint Paul did when he acknowledged that his ministry would be fruitless unless it was ordained and approved by the church.

You reject all of these clear teachings from scripture and many more.

Your pride blinds you to the very words of Christ.
May God have Mercy on your soul.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45561 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:19 pm to
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It's about the only thing that holds Protestantism together, once you go outside of it, you have to form another "Denomination", which is what we see happening over the last 500 years.
I'd say most of Protestantism is held together by a combination of the historical creeds (Apostles' Creed and Nicene Creed in particular) and the five sola's of the Reformation.

As "Protestant" churches apostatize and deny these basic things, they no longer should be considered "Protestant" because they are no longer even Christian.
Posted by Hayekian serf
GA
Member since Dec 2020
4001 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:20 pm to
Now there’s a name I haven’t heard in a while
Posted by Guntoter1
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2020
1557 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:23 pm to
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e I believe the only thing I contribute to it is the sin


Well, at least you got that right
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
17448 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:24 pm to
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pretend catholics aren't just as stupid?


They must drill the whole "Catholics worship Mary" BS each Sunday in these branch off sects of Christianity for money churches.
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 12:25 pm
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
17448 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:26 pm to
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1. The Blessed Mother is honored and venerated. Apparently, you are not knowledgeable on the subject or you would clearly know the definitive lines that differentiate your ignorant remark.

2. The Blessed Mother only had Jesus.



Its baffling people want to downgrade TBM in a time when womens rights are so important.

You would think every single woman would be singing her praises as someone who is respected and loved but naw.
Posted by Guntoter1
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2020
1557 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:31 pm to
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I'd say most of Protestantism is held together by a combination of the historical creeds (Apostles' Creed and Nicene Creed in particular) and the five sola's of the Reformation


Well my goodness, you accept the Creed.
That’s not biblical. That is a teaching of the Catholic Church.
Now … continue with that logical train of thought and apply it to EVERYTHING.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45561 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:47 pm to
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You don’t believe the scriptures.
You deny them.
I do believe the Scriptures. I do not deny them. They are the only infallible authority for the Christian.

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You reject Christ command to Eat and drink of his body.
I do not. I participate in the Eucharist (we just called it the Lord's Supper or Communion). I partake of His body spiritually but believe He is truly and really present in the sacrament, but spiritually rather than bodily/physically.

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You reject Christs will that we confess our sins to his chosen apostles and that they are ordained by God as men to truly have the power to forgive.
I accept that if I confess my sins, Jesus is faithful and just to forgive me for my sins and cleanse me of all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9). I confess my sins against others to them, as commanded (James 5:16).

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You reject the primacy of the Pope spoken in Christ own words when he gave Peter the keys to heaven and the power to bind and to loosen.
I do reject this because it isn't biblical. The keys were given to the Church through the Apostles, not just Peter. Peter was the representative of the disciples, but Jesus speaks to all of the disciples in Matt. 18:15-20 when he tells them collectively that whatever they bind or loose on earth will be bound and loosed in heaven. This is speaking to admission into the Church and removal from it, and it is a delegated authority that continues to this day through the elders of the Church.

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You refuse to do what Saint Paul did when he acknowledged that his ministry would be fruitless unless it was ordained and approved by the church.
I do not. I'm Presbyterian and believe in courts that rule in Christ's place. Acts 15 speaks to how this works. A presbytery ordains and approves teaching elders (pastors) for ministry and the local session of elders in a congregation approves and ordains ruling elders.

I'll agree that there are many Protestants who don't follow this process.

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You reject all of these clear teachings from scripture and many more.
No, I don't, and if I do, then I can be persuaded by Scripture, not by Rome's traditions that use Scripture as a footnote to justify oral tradition, like Mary being the new Eve and therefore we have to believe a myriad of doctrines about Mary that are never taught in the Scriptures.

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Your pride blinds you to the very words of Christ.
Again, this isn't a pride issue. I believe the Scriptures are true and they militate against Rome, which uses other authorities in addition to the Scriptures to teach what it teaches.

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May God have Mercy on your soul.
He has, through my savior, Jesus Christ alone.
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 1:54 pm
Posted by Guntoter1
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2020
1557 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:54 pm to
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do not. I participate in the Eucharist (we just called it the Lord's Supper or Communion). I partake of His body spiritually but believe He is truly and really present in the sacrament, but spiritually rather than bodily/physically.


So you admit that you deny scripture in your very first statement.
You reject the clear words that we must eat his body. You admit it
End of discussion
Posted by BamaMamaof2
Atlanta, GA
Member since Nov 2019
2650 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:57 pm to
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I mean......




Show me one piece of Catholic douctine that states anything negative about other faiths. I will show you a few of how the Church views those of other Faiths.
What does the Catholic Church say about Jews?
During a visit to a synagogue, Francis echoed Pope John Paul II's statement that Jews are the "elder brothers" of Christians, and further stated: "in fact you are our brothers and sisters in the faith. We all belong to one family, the family of God, who accompanies and protects us, His people."

LINK

So if you want to keep making a fool of yourself, keep posting.
Posted by Enadious
formerly B5Lurker City of Central
Member since Aug 2004
18506 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:57 pm to
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You boil the entire 4000 year story of salvation history down to John 3:16
You are lazy and dishonest with yourself

Salvation has to be as simple as John 3:16, or else it involves works (see Catholicism).
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Ephesians 2:8-9
New International Version
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71375 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 1:00 pm to
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So if you want to keep making a fool of yourself, keep posting.

I don't care what doctrine says. All the proof you need is how people are acting in this thread.
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 1:01 pm
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
20718 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 1:16 pm to
Well he is correct in many aspects but he does miss the KEY connection with these cults. Anyone care to chime in on this?
Posted by BamaMamaof2
Atlanta, GA
Member since Nov 2019
2650 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 1:17 pm to
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. The Blessed Mother is honored and venerated. Apparently, you are not knowledgeable on the subject or you would clearly know the definitive lines that differentiate your ignorant remark.

2. The Blessed Mother only had Jesus.



What people don't understand about how us Catholics feel about The Blessed Mother is really so simple that it is hard to believe that they just can't wrap their minds around it.

We give her the honor and respect that every mother should receive. She is the mother of Our Lord Jesus Christ and deserves all the respect and honor we can give her.
We pray for her to pray for us. No different than asking a friend to pray for you, we are asking Our Blessed Mother to pray for us.

Just read the Hail Mary prayer and anyone that questions our adoration for her should be able to comprehend our love for her.

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee; blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

Posted by BamaMamaof2
Atlanta, GA
Member since Nov 2019
2650 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 1:25 pm to
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I don't care what doctrine says. All the proof you need is how people are acting in this thread.


So you question when I post the doctrine of the Catholic Church, but then say you don't care what the doctrine says, the makes no sense and neither do you.
Posted by sumtimeitbeslikedat
Vidalia, La
Member since Nov 2013
4938 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 1:27 pm to
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The Catholic Church has had its issues, yes, regardless, it’s the glue for Christianity.


I would argue that Jesus, not the Catholic Church, is the glue for Christianity. Regardless of who you are, what church you attend, or where you come from, if you haven’t accepted Jesus as Savior then you ain’t Christian. PERIOD.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45561 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 1:34 pm to
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So you admit that you deny scripture in your very first statement.
You reject the clear words that we must eat his body. You admit it
End of discussion
That's a dishonest conclusion. It's as if you didn't actually read my statement.

The issue is not whether or not I partake of Christ, but whether I do so physically or spiritually.

Jesus used metaphors for truthful teachings all throughout the Gospel of John. Jesus said He is the bread of life (John 6:35), but clearly you don't think that Jesus is bread. In fact, you think that after consecration, the bread of the Eucharist isn't even bread, but it's Jesus' own physical/literal flesh-body. You differentiate between bread and Jesus' body, and yet Jesus said He is the bread of life. Obviously Jesus wasn't saying He was literal bread in that statement, but that He is to us spiritually what bread is to us physically: He sustains us spiritually and gives us spiritual life.

Jesus also said that He is light (John 8:12), a shepherd (John 10:11), a gate/door (John 10:7), and a vine (John 15:1). He said He gives living water (4:10).

Jesus wasn't a literal shepherd by profession but was a leader, protector, and caregiver of His "sheep" (we are not literal farm animals but people).

He isn't a gate door, but the gate-keeper to eternal life as the only means to salvation.

He doesn't give literal water to His people but is the life-giving spring of eternal life.

You don't argue that when He says those things that He's talking about literal, physical objects, right? Jesus used word pictures to describe spiritual realities and He did the same thing with giving bread and wine to represent His body and blood really and truly being broken and poured out on the cross for the forgiveness of sins.

You look at the sign instead of the thing signified. You look at the bread and think you have forgiveness by merely eating of it while I look to the one that the bread points to: Jesus Christ, the real and true bread of life who really and truly died on the cross for the sins of His people and who is really present in the sacrament, though present spiritually.

So no, I don't deny Scripture in my observance of the Eucharist any more than you deny Scripture when you don't believe that Jesus' body is comprised of physical bread.
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