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re: Milo on Jehovah’s Witness, Christian Scientists, Mormons, etc
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:56 am to Guntoter1
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:56 am to Guntoter1
quote:If you have a problem with the content of what I said, please let me know. I was expressing the teaching of Ephesians 4:15 which speaks to teaching others in a loving way rather than through belittling and demeaning them.
I have grown weary of teaching to apostates like you who have abandoned the true faith in favor of a lie and continue to attack fellow Christian’s .
quote:I'm a Reformed Christian, meaning that I believe the Scriptures teach the "doctrines of grace" in terms of how man is saved. The entire emphasis of these doctrines is summed up in the phrase soli deo gloria, which is that I believe that all of salvation is for the glory of God, not the glory of man. I can take no pride in my salvation precisely because I believe the only thing I contribute to it is the sin that makes salvation necessary in the first place.
You can not be helped until you abandon your PRIDE and submit to Christ.
So no, I don't think it's a pride issue. I am submitting myself to Christ, who is the only head of the Church and who alone merits salvation.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:02 pm to faraway
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did he just pretend catholics aren't just as stupid?
No.
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worshipping a woman who had many kids as if she's still a virgin is just as ridiculous.
1. The Blessed Mother is honored and venerated. Apparently, you are not knowledgeable on the subject or you would clearly know the definitive lines that differentiate your ignorant remark.
2. The Blessed Mother only had Jesus.
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if he wants others to grow up, he should set an example. he's incredibly childish.
You just went on your own mini rant in the same way you're criticizing. Shame on you too.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:06 pm to FooManChoo
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You boil the entire 4000 year story of salvation history down to John 3:16
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I don't, and I can't help but consider the irony in you claiming Protestants are all doing this.
It's about the only thing that holds Protestantism together, once you go outside of it, you have to form another "Denomination", which is what we see happening over the last 500 years.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:19 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
'm a Reformed Christian, meaning that I believe the Scriptures teach the "doctrines of grace" in terms of how man is saved
You don’t believe the scriptures.
You deny them.
You reject Christ command to Eat and drink of his body.
You reject Christs will that we confess our sins to his chosen apostles and that they are ordained by God as men to truly have the power to forgive.
You reject the primacy of the Pope spoken in Christ own words when he gave Peter the keys to heaven and the power to bind and to loosen.
You refuse to do what Saint Paul did when he acknowledged that his ministry would be fruitless unless it was ordained and approved by the church.
You reject all of these clear teachings from scripture and many more.
Your pride blinds you to the very words of Christ.
May God have Mercy on your soul.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:19 pm to TigerSprings
quote:I'd say most of Protestantism is held together by a combination of the historical creeds (Apostles' Creed and Nicene Creed in particular) and the five sola's of the Reformation.
It's about the only thing that holds Protestantism together, once you go outside of it, you have to form another "Denomination", which is what we see happening over the last 500 years.
As "Protestant" churches apostatize and deny these basic things, they no longer should be considered "Protestant" because they are no longer even Christian.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:20 pm to hawgfaninc
Now there’s a name I haven’t heard in a while
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:23 pm to FooManChoo
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e I believe the only thing I contribute to it is the sin
Well, at least you got that right
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:24 pm to faraway
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pretend catholics aren't just as stupid?
They must drill the whole "Catholics worship Mary" BS each Sunday in these branch off sects of Christianity for money churches.
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:26 pm to Lizardman2
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1. The Blessed Mother is honored and venerated. Apparently, you are not knowledgeable on the subject or you would clearly know the definitive lines that differentiate your ignorant remark.
2. The Blessed Mother only had Jesus.
Its baffling people want to downgrade TBM in a time when womens rights are so important.
You would think every single woman would be singing her praises as someone who is respected and loved but naw.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:31 pm to FooManChoo
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I'd say most of Protestantism is held together by a combination of the historical creeds (Apostles' Creed and Nicene Creed in particular) and the five sola's of the Reformation
Well my goodness, you accept the Creed.
That’s not biblical. That is a teaching of the Catholic Church.
Now … continue with that logical train of thought and apply it to EVERYTHING.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:47 pm to Guntoter1
quote:I do believe the Scriptures. I do not deny them. They are the only infallible authority for the Christian.
You don’t believe the scriptures.
You deny them.
quote:I do not. I participate in the Eucharist (we just called it the Lord's Supper or Communion). I partake of His body spiritually but believe He is truly and really present in the sacrament, but spiritually rather than bodily/physically.
You reject Christ command to Eat and drink of his body.
quote:I accept that if I confess my sins, Jesus is faithful and just to forgive me for my sins and cleanse me of all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9). I confess my sins against others to them, as commanded (James 5:16).
You reject Christs will that we confess our sins to his chosen apostles and that they are ordained by God as men to truly have the power to forgive.
quote:I do reject this because it isn't biblical. The keys were given to the Church through the Apostles, not just Peter. Peter was the representative of the disciples, but Jesus speaks to all of the disciples in Matt. 18:15-20 when he tells them collectively that whatever they bind or loose on earth will be bound and loosed in heaven. This is speaking to admission into the Church and removal from it, and it is a delegated authority that continues to this day through the elders of the Church.
You reject the primacy of the Pope spoken in Christ own words when he gave Peter the keys to heaven and the power to bind and to loosen.
quote:I do not. I'm Presbyterian and believe in courts that rule in Christ's place. Acts 15 speaks to how this works. A presbytery ordains and approves teaching elders (pastors) for ministry and the local session of elders in a congregation approves and ordains ruling elders.
You refuse to do what Saint Paul did when he acknowledged that his ministry would be fruitless unless it was ordained and approved by the church.
I'll agree that there are many Protestants who don't follow this process.
quote:No, I don't, and if I do, then I can be persuaded by Scripture, not by Rome's traditions that use Scripture as a footnote to justify oral tradition, like Mary being the new Eve and therefore we have to believe a myriad of doctrines about Mary that are never taught in the Scriptures.
You reject all of these clear teachings from scripture and many more.
quote:Again, this isn't a pride issue. I believe the Scriptures are true and they militate against Rome, which uses other authorities in addition to the Scriptures to teach what it teaches.
Your pride blinds you to the very words of Christ.
quote:He has, through my savior, Jesus Christ alone.
May God have Mercy on your soul.
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:54 pm to FooManChoo
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do not. I participate in the Eucharist (we just called it the Lord's Supper or Communion). I partake of His body spiritually but believe He is truly and really present in the sacrament, but spiritually rather than bodily/physically.
So you admit that you deny scripture in your very first statement.
You reject the clear words that we must eat his body. You admit it
End of discussion
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:57 pm to LegendInMyMind
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I mean......
Show me one piece of Catholic douctine that states anything negative about other faiths. I will show you a few of how the Church views those of other Faiths.
What does the Catholic Church say about Jews?
During a visit to a synagogue, Francis echoed Pope John Paul II's statement that Jews are the "elder brothers" of Christians, and further stated: "in fact you are our brothers and sisters in the faith. We all belong to one family, the family of God, who accompanies and protects us, His people."
LINK
So if you want to keep making a fool of yourself, keep posting.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:57 pm to Guntoter1
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You boil the entire 4000 year story of salvation history down to John 3:16
You are lazy and dishonest with yourself
Salvation has to be as simple as John 3:16, or else it involves works (see Catholicism).
quote:
Ephesians 2:8-9
New International Version
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 1:00 pm to BamaMamaof2
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So if you want to keep making a fool of yourself, keep posting.
I don't care what doctrine says. All the proof you need is how people are acting in this thread.
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 12/5/24 at 1:16 pm to hawgfaninc
Well he is correct in many aspects but he does miss the KEY connection with these cults. Anyone care to chime in on this?
Posted on 12/5/24 at 1:17 pm to Lizardman2
quote:
. The Blessed Mother is honored and venerated. Apparently, you are not knowledgeable on the subject or you would clearly know the definitive lines that differentiate your ignorant remark.
2. The Blessed Mother only had Jesus.
What people don't understand about how us Catholics feel about The Blessed Mother is really so simple that it is hard to believe that they just can't wrap their minds around it.
We give her the honor and respect that every mother should receive. She is the mother of Our Lord Jesus Christ and deserves all the respect and honor we can give her.
We pray for her to pray for us. No different than asking a friend to pray for you, we are asking Our Blessed Mother to pray for us.
Just read the Hail Mary prayer and anyone that questions our adoration for her should be able to comprehend our love for her.
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee; blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 1:25 pm to LegendInMyMind
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I don't care what doctrine says. All the proof you need is how people are acting in this thread.
So you question when I post the doctrine of the Catholic Church, but then say you don't care what the doctrine says, the makes no sense and neither do you.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 1:27 pm to Deuces
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The Catholic Church has had its issues, yes, regardless, it’s the glue for Christianity.
I would argue that Jesus, not the Catholic Church, is the glue for Christianity. Regardless of who you are, what church you attend, or where you come from, if you haven’t accepted Jesus as Savior then you ain’t Christian. PERIOD.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 1:34 pm to Guntoter1
quote:That's a dishonest conclusion. It's as if you didn't actually read my statement.
So you admit that you deny scripture in your very first statement.
You reject the clear words that we must eat his body. You admit it
End of discussion
The issue is not whether or not I partake of Christ, but whether I do so physically or spiritually.
Jesus used metaphors for truthful teachings all throughout the Gospel of John. Jesus said He is the bread of life (John 6:35), but clearly you don't think that Jesus is bread. In fact, you think that after consecration, the bread of the Eucharist isn't even bread, but it's Jesus' own physical/literal flesh-body. You differentiate between bread and Jesus' body, and yet Jesus said He is the bread of life. Obviously Jesus wasn't saying He was literal bread in that statement, but that He is to us spiritually what bread is to us physically: He sustains us spiritually and gives us spiritual life.
Jesus also said that He is light (John 8:12), a shepherd (John 10:11), a gate/door (John 10:7), and a vine (John 15:1). He said He gives living water (4:10).
Jesus wasn't a literal shepherd by profession but was a leader, protector, and caregiver of His "sheep" (we are not literal farm animals but people).
He isn't a gate door, but the gate-keeper to eternal life as the only means to salvation.
He doesn't give literal water to His people but is the life-giving spring of eternal life.
You don't argue that when He says those things that He's talking about literal, physical objects, right? Jesus used word pictures to describe spiritual realities and He did the same thing with giving bread and wine to represent His body and blood really and truly being broken and poured out on the cross for the forgiveness of sins.
You look at the sign instead of the thing signified. You look at the bread and think you have forgiveness by merely eating of it while I look to the one that the bread points to: Jesus Christ, the real and true bread of life who really and truly died on the cross for the sins of His people and who is really present in the sacrament, though present spiritually.
So no, I don't deny Scripture in my observance of the Eucharist any more than you deny Scripture when you don't believe that Jesus' body is comprised of physical bread.
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