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re: Michigan AG Dana Nessel charges 16 ‘alternate Trump electors’ with 8 felony counts each
Posted on 7/19/23 at 11:44 am to the808bass
Posted on 7/19/23 at 11:44 am to the808bass
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People actually fricking with the elections? No charge.
If actual evidence can be produced of this, I imagine most people would be all for prosecuting them.
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Posted on 7/19/23 at 11:50 am to CreoleTigerEsq
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Nevermind that each of these people attended law school, had to pass a bar exam, has experience in prosecution, and by law, serve in law enforcement capacities (meaning that they are required to enforce the law within their respective states)? Nevermind the fact that probable cause has to exist that actual crimes were committed? Nevermind the fact that they'll have to ensure that they have evidence to prove that the folks accused are convicted by unanimous juries (of their peers) in each of these states?
Same kind people that used an obvious fake democrat funded dossier to begin an investigation and was forced to lie to a FISA court to blatantly violate private American’s rights? And to gaslight the public to attempt to sway a presidential election?
Those kind of highly ethical and upstanding professionals who hold the law in such high regard?
You know who else had to take classes, pass an exam, and serve in law enforcement capacities? Traffic cops.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 11:55 am to cajunangelle
They are really throwing elderly people in jail from a harmless act that was never taken seriously? Who leftists themselves called “larpers”
Yet.. Hunter Biden is getting a hand tap for tax and firearm crimes and Swallwell is still in Congress even while sneaking around with a Chinese spy and hoards of people that burned down cities in BLM riots are still free.
Have we ever prosecuted ANY of these sovereign citizens that simply send UCC filings and demand their money from government? How is that different?
Yet.. Hunter Biden is getting a hand tap for tax and firearm crimes and Swallwell is still in Congress even while sneaking around with a Chinese spy and hoards of people that burned down cities in BLM riots are still free.
Have we ever prosecuted ANY of these sovereign citizens that simply send UCC filings and demand their money from government? How is that different?
This post was edited on 7/19/23 at 11:57 am
Posted on 7/19/23 at 11:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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If actual evidence can be produced of this, I imagine most people would be all for prosecuting them.
Lol. Sure.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 12:30 pm to TDFreak
quote:People die all the time. And finding out if any of these people voted is the easiest search in the world, yet all the people claiming such never produce a single name.
In 2020, a review of 26,000 dead voters (still on the rolls) had more than half that were dead for a decade or more. Only 3,000 were dead for five years or less. There was no word on whether they had voted or not.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 12:35 pm to CleverUserName
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They are really throwing elderly people in jail from a harmless act that was never taken seriously? Who leftists themselves called “larpers”
Let's not pretend these were a bunch of elderly rubes having a little fun.
These were all well connected members of the GOP in Michigan. Many of them were the GOP electors who would have legally cast votes if Trump had won. A couple of them were named as plaintiffs in lawsuits seeking to overturn the election. Almost all of them hold, or have held, political offices as members of the GOP.
They weren't doing this on a lark. Their first plan was to hide inside the Capitol building overnight so they could sign their fraudulent document in the right location. They wound up just showing up at the Capitol building on the day the electors were supposed to vote, and were refused entry. I'm not sure where they ultimately signed the document.
Regardless, they all knew they were not the "duly elected electors" of their state, but went ahead and signed the document. They also knew they were participating in a scheme to throw the election to Trump.
They may have believed the scheme had legal merit, but they tried to keep it quiet.
I'm not sure they should be prosecuted,but they need to testify against the people who coerced them into participating
This post was edited on 7/19/23 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 7/19/23 at 12:40 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
There was no word on whether they had voted or not.
smoking gun right there
Posted on 7/19/23 at 12:40 pm to CleverUserName
quote:Honestly, why do you think bagging a cute Chinese spy is illegal? This is America dammit!
Swallwell is still in Congress even while sneaking around with a Chinese spy
Posted on 7/19/23 at 12:42 pm to mmcgrath
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Honestly, why do you think bagging a cute Chinese spy is illegal?
It’s not illegal. It should be disqualifying from an election standpoint to serve in Congress though.
But anyone who votes for someone like Swallwell in the first place clearly don’t care about anything but the (D). The guy is an unintelligent loser.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 12:43 pm to mmcgrath
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Honestly, why do you think bagging a cute Chinese spy is illegal?
“Maograth” is so incredibly appropriate concerning you. On another note, you know about Fang Fang, but claim to not know anything about Russia, Russia, Russia.
This post was edited on 7/19/23 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 7/19/23 at 12:45 pm to Indefatigable
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These people met in a basement and executed documents alleging that they were duly appointed electors under the laws of the State of Michigan, and sent those certifications to Congress.
Stupid shenanigans like this happen every election. Oddly it’s only become a crime now.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 12:48 pm to CreoleTigerEsq
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Of course, it failed miserably, but there were underlying crimes that were committed in this scheme.
I disagree. My understanding is that they filed a lawsuit and asked that the remedy be they were appointed. The lawsuit failed and they weren’t appointed. Where is the crime?
Posted on 7/19/23 at 12:50 pm to BBONDS25
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Where is the crime?
Sending a certification to Congress representing that they were duty elected/appointed electors under the laws of the state of Michigan when they were not, and knew that they were not.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 12:51 pm to cajunangelle
The Michigan justice system is effectively giving them the George Floyd treatment.
Is there a crowdfunding account set up for them yet?
Posted on 7/19/23 at 12:52 pm to Indefatigable
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Sending a certification to Congress representing that they were duty elected/appointed electors under the laws of the state of Michigan when they were not, and knew that they were not.
Has this been established or did they cite the lawsuit?
Posted on 7/19/23 at 12:53 pm to cajunangelle
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One count of Conspiracy to Commit Uttering and Publishing, a 14- year felony,
“Uttering and publishing”? A 14 year felony?
What exactly is that?
You can murder someone and get less time.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 12:54 pm to BBONDS25
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Has this been established or did they cite the lawsuit?
I do not believe it was conditional, like the one used in PA.
Someone posted the certification in the other thread.
I also think they sent an additional "alternative' certification acting as the alternative if the election was overturned.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 12:55 pm to BBONDS25
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Has this been established
Yes. They submitted certificates to Congress claiming to be legitimate and duly elected electors under Michigan law. No one involved disputes that.
Those documents were ignored obviously and it’s very stupid to charge them for it three years later, but they did in fact pretend to be electors with absolutely zero authority or legal basis for doing so.
This post was edited on 7/19/23 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 7/19/23 at 12:55 pm to riverdiver
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“Uttering and publishing”? A 14 year felony?
What exactly is that?
Michigan Statute
quote:
750.249 Forgery of records and other instruments; uttering and publishing; exception.
Sec. 249.
(1) A person who utters and publishes as true a false, forged, altered, or counterfeit record, instrument, or other writing listed in section 248 knowing it to be false, altered, forged, or counterfeit with intent to injure or defraud is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 14 years.
(2) This section does not apply to a scrivener's error.
This post was edited on 7/19/23 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 7/19/23 at 12:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
Trump will conveniently do nothing to support those electors, just like the 1/6 protesters.
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