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re: Massie (an incumbent) lost by 10 points. Sean Davis nails why on X.

Posted on 5/20/26 at 11:58 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 11:58 am to
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Why are you capping it at Nov 2024?

That's when the same electorate voted him in. Why wouldn't I?

Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 11:58 am to
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The post argues against itself without realizing how. Voters perceiving him differently shows they changed.


Democrats and their media arm, as well as SFP, whatever political space he occupies, simply don’t understand the conservative voter. They don’t see the big picture narrative that conservatives, more or less, tend to see.

There’s a certain type of myopic view that keeps them from seeing that Trump is a COUNTER revolutionary. Because he’s effective at countering the progressives, his eccentric and narcissistic personality is tolerated.

If a Republican starts pointing out Trump’s non-p.c. statements or his seeming inconsistency without looking at the bigger picture, then its clear they’ve lost sight of the bigger picture.

That’s why Massie lost favor and why he lost the primary. This is not some mystery that needs to be solved.
Posted by GetMeOutOfHere
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 11:59 am to
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The post argues against itself without realizing how.

Voters perceiving him differently shows they changed.




The guy radically changed since his wife passed.

His stances before had merit and weren't all about attention. His little snide remark about conceding didn't help his case.
Posted by SFVtiger
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:01 pm to
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Voters perceiving him differently shows they changed.


not necessarily. no one can truly know if Massie's internals changed but his actions can demonstrably change, hence the change in perception without a change in the voters
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:01 pm to
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id Massie ever directly link Trump to any illegality re: Epstein?


I don't think so, but I am also not sure why that matters. No criticism of the Biden DOJ for not "releasing the files" or not prosecuting anyone, and then all at war when Trump's DOJ got in charge.
Consistency is important, I think. had he been demanding prosecution/release sometime from 2021 to the beginning of 2025 and bringing up bills in Congress to do so then he would have some credibility on the issue. He didn't and so he rightly is perceived as a partisan hack on the issue by many.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477115 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:02 pm to
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but his actions can demonstrably change


Other than the Epstein files, what is there to cite?

His policies didn't change.

Bucking the Trump admin on big government actions didn't change.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:03 pm to
Its not complicated. The conservative puritans would rather hear 100% of what they agree with from a politician that gives them nothing. The rest of society is willing to elect someone who says only 75% of what they agree with, but delivers results.

I think Kentuckians ultimately realized that Massie was the former.
Posted by Riverside
Member since Jul 2022
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:03 pm to
TDS is a mental disorder. Massie developed a terminal case of TDS and it destroyed him. Sad to see.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:04 pm to
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I don't think so, but I am also not sure why that matters.


If Trump wasn't implicated, how can you associate any sort of "TDS" to it?

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I think. had he been demanding prosecution/release sometime from 2021


With all the stories being written it's hard to google search, but I've posted tweets during the Biden Presidency by Massie about Epstein.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477115 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:05 pm to
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The rest of society is willing to elect someone who says only 75% of what they agree with, but delivers results.


This is a literal 180 from October 2023 for MAGA

Kevin McCarthy was ousted for delivering 75% of what he promised and promoting practical legislative philosophy by puritans from MAGA who demanded 100% compliance that was not possible.
Posted by SFVtiger
Member since Oct 2003
4478 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:06 pm to
i don't know. I'm just challenging the premise that a change in perception means a change in the voters. it assumes a constant on one side of the equation.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477115 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:07 pm to
People keep referencing this change but, other than the Epstein files, can't seem to cite anything other than circular NPC talking point logic.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
102748 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:08 pm to
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Voters perceiving him differently shows they changed.


No they just finally saw through the charade
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
19994 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:09 pm to
I love the fact that Marxists are upset about this.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87381 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:10 pm to
I definitely "perceived" Massie as being more contrarian and out for himself and frankly, odd, of late.

Now, whether that perception is also the product of an orchestrated campaign, I don't know.

I think the reality is that at a time when the SAVE Act made him an easy target, Trump was fully invested in Iran/Israel and the Israel lobby was going hard against him, he looked more and more like a typical guy at a Libertarian convention.
Posted by Riverside
Member since Jul 2022
10825 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:10 pm to
Massie could no longer hide his voting record.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477115 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:12 pm to
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love the fact that Marxists are upset about this.

I hope you aren't referencing anyone on this board
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:13 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477115 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:13 pm to
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think the reality is that at a time when the SAVE Act made him an easy target, Trump was fully invested in Iran/Israel and the Israel lobby was going hard against him, he looked more and more like a typical guy at a Libertarian convention.

This is all very likely correct, but doesn't show he himself changed in any way.

That's why what this says moving forward about small government, fiscal responsibility, neoconservatism, etc. Is the important part of the discussion and Massie himself. The individual isn't very important at all. That's what a lot of people who are spiking the football failed to understand because they're doing the whole team-based irrationality and think their team got a victory and that's all they can see and understand.
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:14 pm to
What you or anyone here you call names think has/had nothing to do with what the voters of Kentucky thought. If its so important for you to know look for exit polling and major outlets in Kentucky asking why voters dumped him. You and everyone else here has read post after post good and bad about Massie for years. All the arguments are there.
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