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re: Massie (an incumbent) lost by 10 points. Sean Davis nails why on X.

Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:15 pm to
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:15 pm to
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The rest of society is willing to elect someone who says only 75% of what they agree with, but delivers results.

MAGA has officially morphed back into the party of John Mccain, John Boehner and Paul Ryan.

Posted by Sweep Da Leg
Member since Sep 2013
3644 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:15 pm to
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Massie Derangement Syndrome doesn't' rely on logic or rationality.


Sounds like you
Posted by Sweep Da Leg
Member since Sep 2013
3644 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:18 pm to
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Democrats and their media arm, as well as SFP, whatever political space he occupies, simply don’t understand the conservative voter. They don’t see the big picture narrative that conservatives, more or less, tend to see. There’s a certain type of myopic view that keeps them from seeing that Trump is a COUNTER revolutionary. Because he’s effective at countering the progressives, his eccentric and narcissistic personality is tolerated. If a Republican starts pointing out Trump’s non-p.c. statements or his seeming inconsistency without looking at the bigger picture, then its clear they’ve lost sight of the bigger picture. That’s why Massie lost favor and why he lost the primary. This is not some mystery that needs to be solved.


Ding ding ding ding dingggggg
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477120 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:18 pm to
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Sounds like you

No. It doesn't
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477120 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:19 pm to
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There’s a certain type of myopic view that keeps them from seeing that Trump is a COUNTER revolutionary. Because he’s effective at countering the progressives, his eccentric and narcissistic personality is tolerated.

This means that they don't have a political philosophy. All they have is relativism

That doesn't make them conservative. It makes them anti left or anti-democrat.

Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63461 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:20 pm to
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That's why what this says moving forward about small government, fiscal responsibility, neoconservatism, etc. Is the important part of the discussion and Massie himself. The individual isn't very important at all.
It is when you’re trying to create a caricature of a bogey man to run against—which is what happened here. The pattern is the same. Dot. make it about issues but make it about the person. Posters do it here constantly.

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That's what a lot of people who are spiking the football failed to understand because they're doing the whole team-based irrationality and think their team got a victory and that's all they can see and understand.
My BIL was a first time republican voter for Trump in 2024. Will probably never vote republican again. So much winning. Sadly I have no reason to say he should.

We have two democrat parties now.
This post was edited on 5/20/26 at 12:22 pm
Posted by Sweep Da Leg
Member since Sep 2013
3644 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:21 pm to
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MAGA has officially morphed back into the party of John Mccain, John Boehner and Paul Ryan.


That’s objectively retarded. Jean so we primaried some rinos because we’re back to supporting rinos.
Posted by Sweep Da Leg
Member since Sep 2013
3644 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:21 pm to
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quote:Sounds like you No. It doesn't


Nah ahhh
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477120 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:22 pm to
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It is when you’re trying to create a caricature of a bogey man to run against—which is what happened here


There's that pesky relativism again

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477120 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:23 pm to
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That’s objectively retarded.

Only if you ignore policy

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so we primaried some rinos

If you consider Massie a "RINO" you're at an intellectual and rhetorical disadvantage and proving his point
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
2412 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:24 pm to
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With all the stories being written it's hard to google search, but I've posted tweets during the Biden Presidency by Massie about Epstein.


If he commented on Epstein during Biden's terms at a small fraction of what he did the last 15 months then it would be easy to find and all of us would know.
It would also be easy to find legislation he introduced from 2021 through 2024.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63461 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:26 pm to
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There’s a certain type of myopic view that keeps them from seeing that Trump is a COUNTER revolutionary. Because he’s effective at countering the progressives, his
eccentric and narcissistic personality is tolerated.
He’s not a counter revolutionary. Wish he was. His rhetoric is. But his actions are in lock step with the last 35 years of the GOPE.
This post was edited on 5/20/26 at 12:27 pm
Posted by PaperTiger
Ruston, LA
Member since Feb 2015
26652 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:27 pm to
Here are the reasons you dont want to go back beyond Nov 2024.

Heritage Action last 2 scorecards

119th Congress: 84%
118th Congress: 70%


Wonder why 118th was so low? My guess is this:

Debt Ceiling Suspension Agreement (H.R. 3746)

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As a long-standing policy position, we have consistently called for dollar-for-dollar cuts and reforms commensurate with any debt ceiling increases. This bill does not do that. This bill suspends the debt ceiling until 2025, enabling President Biden and a divided Congress to generate an estimated $4 trillion in new federal debt.


Massie voted YES. This goes against being fiscally responsible.

Secure the Border Act

quote:

The Secure the Border Act represents the strongest and most consequential border security and immigration enforcement legislation to date—fulfilling key promises made by Republicans in their 2022 Commitment to America to keep our cities safe and regain control of the southern border. This critical legislation includes targeted policies to end the abuse of our asylum system and parole laws, mandates completion of the border wall, provides physical and personnel resources to secure the border, and strengthens immigration enforcement mechanisms.


Massie voted NO. This goes against his border security policy.


So it sounds like policy to me, and probably the reason he lost.

Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
19994 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:28 pm to
I haven't witnessed you this unhinged and dug in since Walz' appointee-Boelter killed a few moonbats up in Minnesota.

You went on for days about that one claiming he was MAGA.

I can't imagine how long you're going to sky scream about this. ...but your tears are beautiful.

Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
13817 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:28 pm to
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to anti-Trump Epstein obsessive


How TF did this ever become conflated...

I can't support Trump and hate Epstein?



Massie jumped on the "muh Trump is a pedophile and it's in the Epstien files" that TDS democrats latched onto and are still delusionally championing... This after they said nothing about the Epstein files until 2025. That's what he was saying. Voters saw through that TDS, disingenuous BS. And also saw Massie grandstanding on social media and linked up with Democrats.

He didn't say you can't support Trump and hate Epstein.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63461 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:29 pm to
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so we primaried some rinos because we’re back to supporting rinos.
Never stopped,really. Trump backed Kevin McCarthy and still backs Linsey Graham.
Posted by rocksteady
Member since Sep 2013
2973 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:30 pm to
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Cite the policy changes since November 2024


Priority changes* - it’s clearly stated his priority became Epstein. Everyone else’s priorities remained the same. Very simple stuff to grasp
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63461 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:31 pm to
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There's that pesky relativism again
Its funny because they”ll deny this… while telling you Massie had to go because he was too dedicated to the cause.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477120 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:32 pm to
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I haven't witnessed you this unhinged

You've never witnessed me "unhinged" and today is no exception

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since Walz' appointee-Boelter killed a few moonbats up in Minnesota.

And I was proven right then

You forgot the SPLC stuff where I have been somewhat vindicated and proven right

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You went on for days about that one claiming he was MAGA.

Why lie? I didn't do that.

I argued he was unlikely to be a leftist, not that he was MAGA. Get it right, because I was right.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477120 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:33 pm to
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Priority changes* - it’s clearly stated his priority became Epstein.

So that's it? Passing the Epstein transparency Act means he changed?
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