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Posted on 12/12/25 at 10:32 am to 4cubbies
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It looks like we agree that Remain in Mexico (MPP) has no relevance in this discussion.
Why? Because it destroys your position? It has been instituted, it worked, and when it was withdrawn it caused the chaos that was prevalent under both Obama and Biden.
Here is a handy dandy little graph to show the consequences of changing that policy:
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The Safe Third Country idea exists in U.S. law for countries that have agreements with the U.S., but Mexico is not currently a designated safe third country under that law. That’s why it can’t automatically be used to deny all Central American asylum seekers.
Except that the “idea” is manipulated by administrations who favor illegal immigration. For example, the first trump administration amended title 8 of the CFR to require the illegals to show they applied in one of the counties they passed through for asylum.
Also, recently the US has signed safe third country agreements with Canada, Guatemala, Honduras, Uganda, Belize, and Paraguay. To go along with a previous agreement of El Salvador. So that automatically applies the “rule” to everyone south of Mexico because a person who can be deported under a “safe third country” agreement negotiated between the United States and a third country is not eligible to apply for asylum.
Also, how exactly are these “asylum seekers” showing they would be persecuted under a government we have these agreements with?
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What is the feasible way for people already in the country to obtain legal status? I’m not familiar with this pathway.
You really don’t know that there is a legal citizenship path for people who wish to become US citizens?? Really?
You said your “housekeeper” was legal. Why don’t you ask her?
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is this your justification for Republicans blocking it? It’s ok for Republicans to vote like the democrats you loathe?
Nope. You just conveniently forgot half of congress in your rant.
This post was edited on 12/12/25 at 10:48 am
Posted on 12/12/25 at 10:34 am to 4cubbies
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Nungesser said that he has received "a dozen calls" from business owners in the state who are facing labor shortages as workers with valid work permits remain at home out of fear of being detained by immigration agents.
bus owners should be put in jail frickum
Posted on 12/12/25 at 10:34 am to 4cubbies
Nungesser can't even follow through on his own initiatives to keep the state clean.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 10:36 am to 4cubbies
Does he say what the better way actually is? No?
Just complaining then.
The time for doing nothing is over.
Just complaining then.
The time for doing nothing is over.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 10:40 am to 4cubbies
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Mass deportations are useless of the same people (or others just like them) can just come here as asylum seekers again.
It sounds like this conversation continued well along before I saw your response, but the above makes no sense.
If people "just like them" will come, then we'll end up with 2x as many people who have no reason to be here.
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Under U.S. law, anyone physically present in the United States can request asylum, even if they crossed the border without permission.
This is written straight into the Immigration and Nationality Act. It’s not a loophole, it’s the actual law.
We're going to skip over the different administration uses of CTA, MPP/similar concepts, detention and so forth and act like it's all the same?
Increased CTA threshold and greatly curtailed PSG will help a ton.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 10:55 am to Pettifogger
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We're going to skip over the different administration uses of CTA, MPP/similar concepts, detention and so forth and act like it's all the same?
Of course. How else can she keep her head above water in her failed attempts to justify it. That’s her MO. Ignore, deflect, rely on propaganda, and piecemeal arguments.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 11:39 am to 4cubbies
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have a work visa
wtf
why does Louisiana have all of these people on work visas?
I can see for forming....maybe
but other than that...why the frick do we have them?
Posted on 12/12/25 at 3:01 pm to CleverUserName
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Why? Because it destroys your position? It has been instituted, it worked, and when it was withdrawn it caused the chaos that was prevalent under both Obama and Biden.
It actually supports my argument. Remain in Mexico was an executive policy, not a permanent law. It reduced crossings for a time, then got tied up in court and was ended. Policies change. Statutes don’t. Hence the need for structural changes.
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Also, recently the US has signed safe third country agreements with Canada, Guatemala, Honduras, Uganda, Belize, and Paraguay. To go along with a previous agreement of El Salvador. So that automatically applies the “rule” to everyone south of Mexico because a person who can be deported under a “safe third country” agreement negotiated between the United States and a third country is not eligible to apply for asylum.
That’s part of why most asylum claims ultimately fail after years in court. This also supports the need for structural changes.
quote:you said there are legal pathways to obtaining legal status for people already in the country illegally. I’m not familiar with those. What are they?
You really don’t know that there is a legal citizenship path for people who wish to become US citizens?? Really?
You realize you’re arguing that our immigration policies (as they are) are effective and don’t need to be changed. Do you really believe that? Seems likes you’re arguing just to argue.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 3:26 pm to Pettifogger
You’re right that raising the credible fear threshold and narrowing PSG would materially reduce the number of cases that move forward. No argument there. PSG in particular has been stretched far beyond what Congress likely intended, and tightening it would absolutely shrink the pipeline.
Raising the CTA threshold without fixing court backlogs, inconsistent judge standards, employer enforcement and the mismatch between labor demand and legal pathways just shifts pressure elsewhere. It doesn’t really fix anything. We need comprehensive structural changes.
Raising the CTA threshold without fixing court backlogs, inconsistent judge standards, employer enforcement and the mismatch between labor demand and legal pathways just shifts pressure elsewhere. It doesn’t really fix anything. We need comprehensive structural changes.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 3:38 pm to 4cubbies
I had lunch with one contractor today, that had another one on the speakephone who was bemoaning that he is getting by on a fraction of his normal running work crews. He said the workers are worried, guessed he had about 25% that must be legit, and maybe 75% that must be illegal.and/or with faked paperwork?..if having to guesstimate by those AWOL.
Nungessers by nature are Democrat.
Nungessers by nature are Democrat.
This post was edited on 12/12/25 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 12/12/25 at 3:38 pm to LSUFanHouston
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None of us should want to live in a country where “show me your papers” is a thing.
This such a weeping vagina statement.
Wrong - people who are here as immigrants and not citizens should be prepared to show their papers all day every day.
We carry driver license as citizens and show them all the time for numerous reason. - Buy alcohol, pick up prescriptions, vote, traffic stops, pick up packages.
When we travel abroad we have to have our passport on us at all times.
Standard procedure for someone who is not a legal citizen of the country they are visiting for a trip or an extended stay.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 3:51 pm to 4cubbies
Want me to keep posting your violent neighbors?
Posted on 12/12/25 at 4:02 pm to 4cubbies
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"I've got to believe there's a better way,"
Then instead of crying like a pussy, remind all the aliens they can sign up for their deportation on the CBP one app and they can get a free flight home.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 4:04 pm to 4cubbies
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Nungesser said that he has received "a dozen calls" from business owners in the state who are facing labor shortages as workers with valid work permits remain at home out of fear of being detained by immigration agents.
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will celebrate the detaining of lawful immigrants
Seems like they just won’t show up to work.
Usually you get fired for that.
Plus nothing says Hispanics have to come to the US. I hear Europe is open and it’s where all of their ancestors are from.
This post was edited on 12/12/25 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 12/12/25 at 4:13 pm to 4cubbies
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It actually supports my argument. Remain in Mexico was an executive policy, not a permanent law.
It was codified in the CFR until the Biden administration worked to reverse it. If it was left alone, it would not have been changed. The Biden administration reversed it day one. They were sued to keep it due to the previous changes in the code. There was an injunction filed by a federal judge to hold it in effect, and then Biden went to the supremes to overturn. If it was a simple EO, there would have been no basis for an injunction and a Supreme Court overturn.
As you can see in the above graph, it was working just fine.
And if the bumbling fool would have just left it alone, this crisis would not be to the level it is. And the moron even had to go back and reinstitute asylum limits to stem the invasion when the fools finally saw they opened Pandora’s box.
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It reduced crossings for a time, then got tied up in court and was ended.
It didn’t “reduce” it. It plummeted. It worked. The dementia patient and cackling California side piece then flung back open the gates to the point they, themselves had to again reinstitute asylum limits. Which is odd since they argued in court to allow change to the code.
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Policies change. Statutes don’t. Hence the need for structural changes
Well we have statutes too. And ICE is enforcing them. If we had more concrete asylum statutes like is being enforced.. you would still cry.
And as we have seen in various judicial actions, such as the example of the Minnesota activist judge dismissal of charges against a foreign born fraudster, the statutes themselves aren’t so concrete.
We have a new day of judicial activism that sets aside clear statute.
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That’s part of why most asylum claims ultimately fail after years in court. This also supports the need for structural changes.
The claims fail because they didn’t follow the procedure. I thought we needed structure? That’s your structure for claiming asylum. The problem didn’t start when they arrived in the US. Because they were not honestly claiming asylum anyway.
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you said there are legal pathways to obtaining legal status for people already in the country illegally. I’m not familiar with those. What are they?
Simple. They follow the current “structure”. Same as I would have to in any other country in the world.
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You realize you’re arguing that our immigration policies (as they are) are effective and don’t need to be changed. Do you really believe that? Seems likes you’re arguing just to argue.
It’s effective if you immigrate LEGALLY. Quite effective. Many many many many foreigners will attest to that.
Now what you, and the propaganda pushers, want is for someone to enter illegally, plop down on their arse, get their freebies, work for cash, and then sometime, at their leisure, get legal status. And that doesn’t belong anywhere near any statutes.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 5:22 pm to 4cubbies
There is a better way. Self deport and get paid. Imagine the government paying you for a crime. Sounds like a great deal, Billy!
Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:52 pm to CitizenK
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FTR, my ex turned out to be a barking moonbat to the extreme after our divorce and she moved to Austin. 20+ years ago, she quit her $150,000+ job to teach Tai Chai and Trance Dancing. Now she has no money at all, and lives with her younger brother near Lake Chuck.
It’s ironic that she wanted to take advantage of illegal labor to clean up the house.
It makes me wonder if 4chubbies lives in Lake Charles with her brother.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 9:43 pm to 4cubbies
He’s a tub of shite.
Posted on 12/13/25 at 10:28 pm to winkchance
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Wrong - people who are here as immigrants and not citizens should be prepared to show their papers all day every day.
Glad you love a police state
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