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LSU "Holistic" admissions?

Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:25 am
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:25 am
LSU is moving from using GPA and ACT to a Holistic review that includes essays and letters of recommendations.

The positive is that it can include look at other determinants of success than GPA and ACT. Proponents also argue it will help with diversity.

Opponents worry about lowering standards and cronyism. Here is the advocates take:

Ballard editoral

What say ye PT?
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35012 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:27 am to
95% dropout rate amongst those who get in because of this.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:28 am to
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Proponents also argue it will help with diversity.


literally the only reason for this approach
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:28 am to
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95% dropout rate amongst those who get in because of this.

no way

LSU is easy as frick. it was easy as frick when i was there 2001-2005 and it's gotten easier
Posted by michael corleone
baton rouge
Member since Jun 2005
5807 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:30 am to
LSU law school went down a similar path in the early 2000s. Bar passage rates haven’t been the same since.
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:33 am to
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Opponents worry about lowering standards

LSU's standards aren't very high to begin with
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:33 am to
TOPS standards are insanely low and people lose their minds when a minimal increase is suggested to save the entire program

this is Louisiana in a nutshell:



ironically, once kids go to LSU, they then often leave the bucket and go to TX/GA
This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 9:35 am
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
9044 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:34 am to
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literally the only reason for this approach


It's definitely a potential ulterior motive.

But I'd argue that high school grade inflation and an entire industry built around teaching kids how to perform well on the SAT/ACT is another reason.

Of course it all depends on what criteria the admissions officers are working off of. But in theory, I think there is a lot of merit to a holistic approach.

If I were a college, I'd rather a student with a 3.4 GPA who can articulate ideas clearly than a 3.9 student who can't write worth a damn.
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:35 am to
LSU can't have all those Asian students cluttering up the classes.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35012 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:35 am to
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LSU is easy as frick. it was easy as frick when i was there 2001-2005 and it's gotten easier


Less than half graduate in 4 years, roughly 70% in 6. And that’s normal people who made the grades to get in.

Those who get into LSU without making the grades will fail out with haste. They won’t make it past the first round of feeder classes.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:35 am to
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But I'd argue that high school grade inflation and an entire industry built around teaching kids how to perform well on the SAT/ACT is another reason.

an argument for Harvard, not LSU

Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
22777 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:36 am to
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Proponents also argue it will help with diversity.


That is racist! Racism get yelled a lot in this country, but this statement is one of the TRUE examples of racism.
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
9044 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:36 am to
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an argument for Harvard, not LSU


Fair enough. I was just speaking in generalities.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118758 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:39 am to
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LSU "Holistic" admissions?


This is how GWB got into Yale and Harvard.

It was holi$tic.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
30587 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:40 am to
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It's definitely a potential ulterior motive.



Yeah, a whole new way to recruit based on political beliefs.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112610 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:41 am to
Lol, no it didn't.

LSU Law didn't give the first shite about essays or letters of rec
Posted by stat19
Member since Feb 2011
29350 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:42 am to
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Proponents also argue it will help with diversity, it only gives us the very best.


Hooray! Let's celebrate diversity.

This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 9:43 am
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118758 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:44 am to
Maybe there are not enough students with 23s on the ACT and 3.0 GPAs applying to LSU. By having a "holistic" approach to acceptance they can increase the admission numbers without saying you are lowering admission standards.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112456 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:45 am to
This has been used for years in Calif. Predictably, Asian applicants get extremely low scores on essays. Why? Because there are too many Asians at elite schools and it's an easy way to make room for blacks and Hispanics who score really low on ACT/SAT.
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14491 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:46 am to
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Maybe there are not enough students with 23s on the ACT and 3.0 GPAs applying to LSU. By having a "holistic" approach to acceptance they can increase the admission numbers without saying you are lowering admission standards.


Personally, this is what my cynical nature says. I think it is less about diversity and more about getting more students into seats which = tuition dollars.
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