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re: LSU "Holistic" admissions?
Posted on 9/11/18 at 2:01 pm to BigJim
Posted on 9/11/18 at 2:01 pm to BigJim
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The positive is that it can include look at other determinants of success than GPA and ACT
In the simplest terms:
GPA measures work ethic.
ACT measures base intellegnce.
Combining the two is a great metric for academics. College is about academics. Also, GPA and ACT are completely merit/character based. They are colorblind. Sexblind. Class blind.
You might not be cut out for the academic world. Not every one is. This lie needs to end. I know plumbers and electricians and contractors that never went to college but they run a business and make more money and do more with their lives than plenty of average lost college graduates.
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Proponents also argue it will help with diversity.
Lsu is plenty diverse. Diversity has just become a buzzword meaning less white people. It makes no sense. I cannot imagine there is a hard working, intellegent, deserving person in this country that cannot get an education because of a lack of diversity principles at an institution.
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What say ye PT?
College in America is overbloated, over priced, and frankly out of control. We need less students and massive reformation of government loan programs and skyrocketed tuition.
This is just a way for LSU to lower admission standards and grab more of that unlimited gaurenteed government money.
For some reason truth is being tossed aside for feelings and it is ruling our society.
Not everyone is smart enough for Harvard. Not everyone is smart enough for LSU.
There are plenty of people in Louisiana who would do much better in life going to a trade school and learning plumbing, electrical, hvac, mechanic, etc... careers.
This insane idea that everyone deserves and should strive for a college education and then a 40 hour per week white collar business job is asinine. The push in society to belittle or frown upon blue collar jobs is even worse and it needs to end.
This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 2:09 pm
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 2:02 pm to UGATiger26
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I never made an argument that students with low test scores should be admitted to a university.
The entire reason for holistic is to circumvent test score criteria. It is designed to get kids into the school who would not get in without the 'extra points' for essay.
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As an aside, what do you mean by "high essay?")
It's in the OP. There are also other subjective means of circumventing test scores to otherwise unacceptable students. One was 'striving' ...overcoming stuff. What stuff? Being black, Hispanic, Muslim, ex-con.
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the schools I have in mind are ones where it's pretty much a given that nearly all admitted students will graduate. S
No, that doesn't happen with holistic. The Ivy League has been using it for years and it's pretty damn hard to not graduate once you get accepted. But Sowell documents that minorities admitted on aff action flunk out at a high rate in the Ivy League. They would have succeeded at a 2nd tier school like Ga. He calls it miss-matching.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:53 pm to Zach
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The entire reason for holistic is to circumvent test score criteria. It is designed to get kids into the school who would not get in without the 'extra points' for essay.
I'm not naive in that universities can manipulate the process for the purpose of social engineering or what have you. In fact, I think I've read the same Sowell books you're referencing (Intellectuals and Society or Vision of the Anointed perhaps?)
But there is certainly an argument for a holistic admissions process based on merit/promise/potential.
For example...
Applicant A:
GPA - 3.5
SAT - 1370
Eagle Scout
Varsity Tennis Team Captain
Varsity Basketball
Writer for school newspaper
Applicant B:
GPA - 3.9
SAT - 1450
Volunteered once at a church bake sale
If a school wants to make their process efficient and 100% objective by only looking at GPA and test scores, then OK. Whatever floats their boat. But if I was running a university, I would not want to turn down Applicant A just because they didn't have a 1400 SAT. Applicant A's inferior "work ethic" (as an above poster would apparently call it) compared to Applicant B can easily be dismissed when you consider Applicant A's other extracurricular involvement.
You can use aggregate data to make broad generalizations about GPA's and test scores and how they correlate with collegiate success. I get that.
But (in an ideal world, at least) that's really the point of a holistic application, isn't it? To review each student's application and decide their merit on an individual basis, instead of on an aggregate basis.
As an addendum, let me just add that I think the awarding of preference based on race/sex/etc. is reprehensible and certainly NOT what I would consider relevant information in an admissions process of any sort.
This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:24 pm to BigJim
That's the tool that racist college admissions committees exclude whites and asians and admit blacks, hispanics, illegals, etc with worse credentials.
If I were the Louisiana legislature, I'd suspect that this would be worthy of about a 20% cut in funds to the LSU system.
If I were the Louisiana legislature, I'd suspect that this would be worthy of about a 20% cut in funds to the LSU system.
This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Proponents also argue it will help with diversity.
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literally the only reason for this approach
Remember - Diversity is our stench.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:42 pm to BigJim
Next they'll be in favor of GPA re-distribution to those that "need it".
Suzy has a 4.0, but ________ has a 2.0 and could use a bit of Suzy's GPA. Suzy could help a lot of people with bits of her GPA.
Suzy has a 4.0, but ________ has a 2.0 and could use a bit of Suzy's GPA. Suzy could help a lot of people with bits of her GPA.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:50 pm to UGATiger26
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But if I was running a university, I would not want to turn down Applicant A just because they didn't have a 1400 SAT. Applicant A's inferior "work ethic" (as an above poster would apparently call it) compared to Applicant B can easily be dismissed when you consider Applicant A's other extracurricular involvement.
LSU's ACT minimum requirement is a 22 and it has a 77% acceptance rate. I don't think we need holistic admissions. If we really start turning away droves of qualified students, then maybe.
Otherwise this is a money grab.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 6:25 pm to BigJim
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LSU's ACT minimum requirement is a 22 and it has a 77% acceptance rate. I don't think we need holistic admissions. If we really start turning away droves of qualified students, then maybe.
I had already said in an earlier post that I didn’t have an opinion on whether or not a holistic process made sense for LSU.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 6:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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LSU is easy as frick. it was easy as frick when i was there 2001-2005
Four year student. You big nerd.
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