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re: Lower and Middle Class America has declined over the past 50 years
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:44 am to Ten Bears
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:44 am to Ten Bears
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That’s not an accurate comparison. Do homes now have the same number of bedrooms? The same size? Small kitchens where only Mom could cook? Same number of bathrooms?
Actually they do. Do you think those homes disappeared? Those same homes that were $45k brand new are now $350k
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Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:44 am to slackster
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It unequivocally will hurt those segments in the short to medium term.
So the answer is we shouldn't try because of that?
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:46 am to slackster
And how long will that take? Is it worth crushing our economy for multiple years? There seems to be a theme on here we will incur a six month recession, then the economy will roar. I'm not so sure about that, especially when you add in the people who lost jobs from .gov cuts.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:46 am to Azkiger
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Building materials today are lower quality
No, 2x4s size have grown with inflation. They're much thicker today than they were in the 70s and 80s
Funny enough, one of the problems with renovating really old homes...is that the studs are ACTUALLY 2 and 4 inches, not 1.5 and 3.5
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:46 am to Bunk Moreland
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It's interesting how this board is very anti-union and blames them for offshoring, now everyone wants a job and union wage again for factory baws.
Yes there are lots of receipts from the threads from the last major UAW negotiation and those Port negotiations. We can see this sincerity of how posters view these workers getting these wages
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:48 am to Bunk Moreland
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especially when you add in the people who lost jobs from .gov cuts.
You mean the artificial GDP generators?
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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quote:How is frying fries in vegetable oil more skilled than manufacturing computer chips?
You're conflating now. A bait and switch. Those are not the types of manufacturing your OP references.
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OP:Can someone explain here how keeping our medicine and chip manufacturing
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:49 am to texag7
A lot of the people most affected ended up on welfare and under government control.
The rest ended up under student loan debt.
The rest ended up under student loan debt.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:49 am to Bunk Moreland
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Is it worth crushing our economy for multiple years?
The really big thing is…the economy won’t be crushed. Like at all
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:49 am to slackster
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It unequivocally will hurt those segments in the short to medium term.
It will hurt them in the long run also. Tariffs are taxes. The government is taking their money. Giving them less dollars to buy fewer goods and services. This equates to lower economic growth and fewer jobs.
Tariffs will "protect" some jobs in some areas but will take them away in others.
This post was edited on 4/3/25 at 7:51 am
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:50 am to 50_Tiger
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So the answer is we shouldn't try because of that?
That’s not what I said.
I’m just pointing out that people laughing about that have their head up their arse. It will be tough for those people because the cost increases are immediate and the benefits won’t kick in for a while.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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Today the poor have the ability to afford the same luxury goods that the rich do.
Is there an alternate universe that you can point to where America kept their manufacturing domestic and our lower/middle classes aren't able to afford these same luxuries?
Technology has played a largest role in this, not cheaper labor. And that's by far.
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The solution is less government and less manipulation and intervention.
"Fight child labor with child labor!"
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:51 am to texag7
I usually don't participate in these threads because I just don't know. I do think DJT is playing with fire applying the tariffs while making big government cuts. If it works, great. If it doesn't, enjoy your Dem overlords.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:52 am to 50_Tiger
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You mean the artificial GDP generators?
Yes, but it's still money circulating in the economy.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:52 am to Azkiger
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"Fight child labor with child labor!"
That's my point when everyone here hammers the union leaders for being greedy and not just agreeing to Mexican/Chinese slave wages. Well, what is their purpose if they agree to that? You guys are starting to sound pro-union now, I like it.
This post was edited on 4/3/25 at 7:54 am
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:53 am to Bunk Moreland
How is the economy being crushed?
Can any of you melters explain this?
Can any of you melters explain this?
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:54 am to Bunk Moreland
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You guys are starting to sound pro-union now, I like it.
Everything has its place. Even shite makes good fertilizer.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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Yes, but it's still money circulating in the economy.
Its akin to a shell game for the DC elite. Those jobs don't do anything to move forward the country and it keeps Democrats within reaching distance of all seats of power.
They don't need to exist period.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:54 am to Azkiger
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Is there an alternate universe that you can point to where America kept their manufacturing domestic and our lower/middle classes aren't able to afford these same luxuries?
The one where those luxury goods increase in prices due to the tariffs/intervention that is specifically enacted to raise the prices of those goods.
The question is how we create this alternate universe where we absorb these inefficient lower-level manufacturing jobs without the prices of goods going up proportionately. Much of the pro-tariff theory revolves around pretending/arguing that prices won't go up, when it's a necessary reality to create the market for these jobs.
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"Fight child labor with child labor!"
OK groomer
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:55 am to Bunk Moreland
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I do think DJT is playing with fire applying the tariffs while making big government cuts.
The instability/volatility of the tariff policy + big cuts + the impending recession is likely going to be a bad combination.
Like you said, this isn't going to be some 6-month scenario
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