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re: Lower and Middle Class America has declined over the past 50 years
Posted on 4/3/25 at 11:32 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 4/3/25 at 11:32 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Because voters are simpletons
How dare the peasants object to their jobs being offshored and entire regions gutted so that multinationals can reduce labor costs and you can buy your tshirt for a $1 less while the entire middle and working class gets pushed further and further towards complete dependence on UBI and the government right?
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Posted on 4/3/25 at 11:33 am to SlowFlowPro
Slow Fanni learn to code pro!
Posted on 4/3/25 at 11:33 am to texag7
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Can someone explain here how keeping our medicine and chip manufacturing overseas
It’s a very simple reality that some goods that MUST be manufactured here will need some government intervention. First things first, cut regs on producing these products here and do it with legislation, not new rules or rules changes. If and only if that doesn’t cut production cost enough, use block grants for med and chip manufacturers. These are matters of national security and I don’t mind my tax dollars going to these companies if that’s what it takes. We give money away for less.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 11:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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Why do you think they can't?
Can they be a lawyer?
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You are the one who just implied factory workers are too stupid to be electricians, while I'm arguing they have jobs ready to transition into (implying they're fully capable)
They don’t need to be in order to be worthwhile. That is the part which escapes you.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 11:34 am to tide06
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How dare the peasants object to their jobs being offshored and entire regions gutted so that multinationals can reduce labor costs and you can buy your tshirt for a $1 less
Your use of "you" is curious since the poor in America have benefited greatly from the economic growth this paradigm has created...that benefit is most of all seen in cheaper goods.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 11:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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that benefit is most of all seen in cheaper goods.
All it cost them is their town, their upward mobility, the children’s future, and their self respect.
Those $29 belt sanders at Harbor Freight doe!
Posted on 4/3/25 at 11:36 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:At the expense of wages, compounded by an open border.
that benefit is most of all seen in cheaper goods.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 11:38 am to Robin Masters
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All it cost them is their town, their upward mobility, the children’s future, and their self respect.
No. They still have that if they make good decisions and don't expect subsidized and overpaid jobs.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 11:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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No. They still have that if they make good decisions and don't expect subsidized and overpaid jobs.
It didn’t work out well for them. Point fingers wherever it makes you feel best.
Life is a results business. Your results turned out to be shite. Now we try a different approach.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 11:42 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Like in ways that income tax is not.
a tariff which can be mitigated in various ways,
Like in ways corporate tax is not.
Like with countries of origin providing impacted industries tax breaks, subsidies, favorable financing, etc.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 11:45 am to Robin Masters
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It didn’t work out well for them.
The comment you quoted included "if they make good decisions". They did not.
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Your results turned out to be shite.
No. THEIR decisions turned into shitty results.
I'm a good decision-maker. You're now arguing the government needs to take from me to subsidize a bad decision-maker.
I feel like bumping old Obamacare threads I made specifically about how fricked up that argument is.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 11:45 am to NC_Tigah
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Like in ways that income tax is not.
Like in ways corporate tax is not.
Like?
Posted on 4/3/25 at 11:50 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Like with countries of origin providing impacted industries tax breaks, subsidies, favorable financing, etc.
Like?
Posted on 4/3/25 at 11:51 am to SlowFlowPro
But, factory workers have always been placed in corner so to speak because overall the skill they learn at a car plant or steel mill is not transferable, so innovation is going to slam them in the nuts a lot harder than a tradesman.
We could open up a new car plant tomorrow the size of the Nissan one in Jackson, Ms and you'd need a lot less people to facilitate the start up than you needed 10 years ago. It's like traders in the pits on Wall Street. The NYSE is a lot quieter place today than it was 20 years ago because of technology and innovation. 30 years ago it was loud almost chaotic environment and crowded. Today not so. BoT in Chicago is also.
We could open up a new car plant tomorrow the size of the Nissan one in Jackson, Ms and you'd need a lot less people to facilitate the start up than you needed 10 years ago. It's like traders in the pits on Wall Street. The NYSE is a lot quieter place today than it was 20 years ago because of technology and innovation. 30 years ago it was loud almost chaotic environment and crowded. Today not so. BoT in Chicago is also.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 11:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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No. THEIR decisions turned into shitty results. I'm a good decision-maker. You're now arguing the government needs to take from me to subsidize a bad decision-maker. I feel like bumping old Obamacare threads I made specifically about how fricked up that argument is.
Trump being elected with a mandate to resurrect domestic production seems to belie your claim. Again, and I cannot stress this enough, life is a results business.
Blame whomever you want if it makes you feel better but the results of the system you champion have led us to make difficult choices. Tangentially as a consequence you have little credibility from which to launch criticism.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 11:54 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Why does a country with more economic upward mobility than any country in the history of the planet concomitantly have a poor population subset exhibiting multigenerational poverty?
the poor in America have benefited greatly
Posted on 4/3/25 at 11:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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Your use of "you" is curious since the poor in America have benefited greatly from the economic growth this paradigm has created...that benefit is most of all seen in cheaper goo
Household discretionary spend adjusted for inflation peaked in 1980, just after the introduction of the globalist model we currently leverage and prior to the introduction of China to the WTO.
Since then discretionary household spend has declined to the lowest levels seen since the 1960s.
While Wall Street benefitted, globalization has been the most effective wealth confiscation tool from the post industrialized west ever devised, people just don’t want to acknowledge it and aren’t fully experiencing the consequences of it yet because it’s being passed off as debt to future generations.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 11:56 am to NC_Tigah
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Why does a country with more economic upward mobility than any country in the history of the planet concomitantly have a poor population subset exhibiting multigenerational poverty?
Because we subsidize poverty.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 11:57 am to Flats
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Because we subsidize poverty.
We create poverty in order to exploit it.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 11:58 am to NC_Tigah
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Why does a country with more economic upward mobility than any country in the history of the planet concomitantly have a poor population subset exhibiting multigenerational poverty?
Capitalism and the freedom it provides. It removes the forced-floor of socialism while lacking the ceiling of socialism.
Our freedom is why we are so high in most pathologies compared to other developed countries.
A solid chunk of our population has created a pathological lower class mindset/culture and all sorts of societal pathologies flow from that. Crime (especially violent crime), lack of education, lack of economic productivity, black market economic opportunities, etc. etc. As I said earlier, now that more white people are part of this culture, there has been a reaction by white people.
Again, this has all been discussed in opposition to posters like VOR and Rex re: black people for decades on here.
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