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re: Lower and Middle Class America has declined over the past 50 years
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:17 pm to InkStainedWretch
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:17 pm to InkStainedWretch
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it strikes me that you seem to have a contempt for the people who made up the old-school manufacturing base during the halcyon days because they didn’t make the decisions they should have made.
Contempt? No
Holding them to the same standards we held black people to on here for 15 years? Yes.
I ain't no hypocrite
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Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:18 pm to dgnx6
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You are a slap dick lawyer. You provide absolutely nothing to society.
I'm a service industry like all other service industries.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:20 pm to Bunk Moreland
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It's interesting how this board is very anti-union
Is MAGA anti-union? Unions are what made America great in its heyday.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
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mindset creates culture, and one of the pathologies of that culture over time, is violent crime.
This is such a cop out.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:22 pm to Boss
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And your value is....Trump internet warrior?
And a-hole.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Holding them to the same standards we held black people to on here for 15 years? Yes.
While completely absolving the people elected to actually be responsible for foreign policy and global trade.
Don’t sell yourself short friend, You are the dictionary picture of a hypocrite.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:23 pm to 4cubbies
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Unions are what made America great in its heyday.
This is an accurate statement. Hard to argue otherwise.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:25 pm to 4cubbies
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This is such a cop out.
I don't believe so, but I'm glad we (as in the board) are getting back to traditional political mindsets for this discussion.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Intergenerational mindset
The mindset to remain in poverty?
The mindset to see a high rate of murder and violence?
I'm a buyer of the fact, but not of the explanation.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:26 pm to Robin Masters
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While completely absolving the people elected to actually be responsible for foreign policy and global trade.
Uh...yeah. Our free trade policy has benefited us more than any other country.
Some of our population just chose not to enjoy the spoils of that success.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:28 pm to NC_Tigah
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The mindset to remain in poverty?
Have you seen high school and college graduation rates? Criminal records (prohibiting good jobs)?
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The mindset to see a high rate of murder and violence?
That's a resulting pathology of the shitty culture.
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I'm a buyer of the fact, but not of the explanation.
Go to any shitty ghetto or trailer park and observe.
This post was edited on 4/3/25 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:33 pm to Robin Masters
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This is an accurate statement. Hard to argue otherwise.
Americans have been conditioned to want to be treated like shite. TSA, exploitation and every turn, openly corrupt governments, the list goes on and on. People should not expect a decent wage or decent benefits because we don’t deserve them, or only I deserve them an no one else does. We would rather light our money on fire than have to share it with anyone else.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Uh...yeah. Our free trade policy has benefited us more than any other country.
Emerging Post WW2 in the economic catbird seat likely had a bit more to do with it than outsourcing manufacturing to save $100 on a sofa and love seat.
Were there benefits? No one is arguing there weren’t.
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Some of our population just chose not to enjoy the spoils of that success.
Flippant douchbaggery like this is what gave you Trump. You’ll never learn.
But to your point, it wasn’t sold as an adapt or perish and if you were intellectually honest you would recall that it was pitched as a free global trade would lift all boats and the growing middle class around the world would seek American made products.
That was a bait and switch and now people like you want to mutter “free trade” and suggest we should have known the people we elected were actually crooks.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:36 pm to 4cubbies
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Americans have been conditioned to want to be treated like shite. TSA, exploitation and every turn, openly corrupt governments, the list goes on and on. People should not expect a decent wage or decent benefits because we don’t deserve them, or only I deserve them an no one else does. We would rather light our money on fire than have to share it with anyone else.
Not sure I agree with that although I’m sure on a certain level it’s true insomuch as that all life appears to be suffering on one level or another.
I think the unions conditioned the workers to expect ever greater returns and enhancements. Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered.
But you weee definitely right, unions were instrumental in making this country civilized at one point.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I don't believe so
Right, because you don’t consider context. People who were systemically brutalized for hundreds of years and denied all opportunities, including the opportunity to assimilate, should all be middle class now because things really haven’t been that bad for black people for the last 40 years.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:39 pm to Robin Masters
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This is an accurate statement. Hard to argue otherwise.
Unions have been outdated for decades, outside the construction trades.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Unions have been outdated for decades, outside the construction trades.
True. Like giving anabolic steroids to a cancer patient who then never stops taking them for 40 years.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:49 pm to Robin Masters
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Emerging Post WW2 in the economic catbird seat likely had a bit more to do with it
Not the era I'm discussing. I'm discussing after that, after the Carter crash, and even after Reaganomics...I'm discussing the post-Soviet "new world order" of "globalism"
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Flippant douchbaggery like this is what gave you Trump.
Those same Trump voters cheered when I said similar things about black men. Stop your histrionics.
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You’ll never learn.
Being a hypocrite? No that's for your ilk.
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free global trade would lift all boats
Which it did, both domestically and internationally.
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people like you want to mutter “free trade” and suggest we should have known the people we elected were actually crooks.
This is what you call a straw man
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:51 pm to 4cubbies
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Right, because you don’t consider context.
No, because I grew up poor and still mingle with the poor more than most people on this board.
My concept "Lower class mindset" was developed around middle school observing my family, also, noting the differences in them compared to my nuclear family.
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because things really haven’t been that bad for black people for the last 40 years.
This argument would hold more water if other minorities hadn't succeeded.
Asians faced similar discrimination historically (not subjugation, but even then they experienced it) and several cohorts of Asians earn more than white people do.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 2:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Not the era I'm discussing. I'm discussing after that, after the Carter crash, and even after Reaganomics...I'm discussing the post-Soviet "new world order" of "globalism"
Oh right all things were even before Carter and shipping our TV production to Taiwan was the boost we needed to ascend to global harmony. That god they didn’t have the foresight to outsource to us first!
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Those same Trump voters cheered when I said similar things about black men. Stop your histrionics.
So you admit to being a hypocrite. Way to step on your own dick.
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Which it did, both domestically and internationally.
Internationally, most assuredly. Domestically? As I’ve said several times, get out of your parents basements more often. Not all boats are rising. Yet again, look no further than the Oval Office. You can debate against reality all you want but you just look more and more like a delusional sweater vest wearing boomer.
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This is what you call a straw man
You keep using those words. I don’t think you know what them mean.
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