re: Looks like Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may also be causing blood clots

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We get vaccines for flu every year, and that's ten times less lethal than covid. We have vaccines for chickenpox which is probably a hundred times less lethal than covid

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The understood difference is that no one talks about making those mandatory except for rather specific jobs. I still think the chickenpox vaccine is ridiculous and no one in my family as received.

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So much info out there

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and so little good info.

The key word in the JAMA piece is "provisional" btw.

Groups like the AMA, CDC, NIH are all about alignment and medical control. NIH and CDC malfeasance led directly to the US pandemic. Fauci, Scarf-lady, the AMA, CDC, and NIH all screamed for a lockdown in response. Conversely, any harm associated with the lockdown is 100% on them. That's why you see frickingfauci in front of Congress refusing to answer questions about loss of freedoms or other harm associated with lockdown isolation. He unapologetically refuses to own or even acknowledge any of the consequences.

Similarly, guess what.
Drug overdoses will be shunted into some ancillary non-suicide category. Something other than lockdown depression (e.g., some sort of überpotent fentanyl) will be attributed as causative.
Self-inflicted GSWs will be categorized as accidental deaths.
Nothing without a self-declarative letter will be labeled "suicide".

It is as predictable as tomorrow's sunrise.

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This is the point that that vaccine skeptics miss. Getting Covid carries risks. There are two paths you can choose: getting the vaccine or not getting it. If you avoid the risks inherent in a vaccine then you take on the risks of getting Covid. And the latter are demonstrably higher than the former.

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Casinos love people who can't assess the odds.

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NC_Tigah

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Solid response. Thanks.

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So here are a few knowns. Risk of hospitalization due to CV19 (pre-vaccine) is 4.6 per 100,000 in the general population. Of those hospitalized with Covid-19, 21% experience thrombosis with embolism. So roughly 1 person per 100,000 would contract CV19, then have a TE

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It's these kind of answers and generalizations that are the most dangerous and misleading.
Because there's a bunch of numbers in a poorly presented format, casually glancing at someone else's summary SOUNDS legit but is simply a very biased misrepresentation of a report.

The key term is "general population". C19 has demonstrated a significant bias towards the elderly & those with one or more underlying medical conditions as reported in this study (90% had at least one underlying condition). Also, it's mentioned that males are impacted more, and that blacks might also be disproportionately affected.


Thus, if you fall in the following categories:

1) < 50 yrs. old
2) white (more so - female)
3) no underlying medical conditions

You have a very low probability of being negatively impacted from C19.

Currently, it appears that credible data regarding those who have previously contracted C19 and have antibodies is being withheld.

4) and possibly even less likely to be impacted if you have antibodies from a previous episode.

This "4.6 per 100,000" number is not even close to being representative of this particular demographic. What is the risk then? This study doesn't address this and just paints a broad stroke over the final results.

Again! As others have pointed out, each individual should assess their own level of risk based on what they are comfortable with and their decision should be respected.

Hopefully, in time, we can all get more meaningful, accessible, and accurate data to make more informed decisions. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like we can depend on the media to provide this service.

77.5 hours into the second shot, no blood clots to report. I will say that I felt nauseous for the last five days and didn't prior to getting it. I haven't felt like drinking a beer yet but I had several Irish coffees this morning.
Arms finally not sore either.

I'm about a week out from bieng 100% mask free.


Also I'm pretty sure I contracted covid 19 in January of 2020 lost taste, bedridden for a solid week and hit the respirator mist machine at the urgent clinic three times to get my breath back. One dude from our group died dropped dead in the hospital but nobody said anything about covid 19 then a month later all the shite started.

You know it was here long before they said it was.

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Mostly safe shot

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Over 200,000,000 doses gave been given and there are < 1000 cases reported. So serious blood clots occurred after 0.0004%-0.0005% of doses. So yes it is mostly safe if you consider serious blood clots not occurring in 99.99955% of the people that receive the shot as mostly safe.

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expected given typical death rates

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is this as accurate as election polls? asking for a friend

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We get vaccines for flu every year, and that's ten times less lethal than covid

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like anybody knows this. we don't even know true c19 numbers because
1. we don't know how many asymptomatic cases
2. tests are inaccurate

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Where do you guys get this shite from?

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says the person who is robotically parroting politicized govt numbers

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Over 200,000,000 doses gave been given and there are < 1000 cases reported. So serious blood clots occurred after 0.0004%-0.0005% of doses. So yes it is mostly safe if you consider serious blood clots not occurring in 99.99955% of the people that receive the shot as mostly safe.

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Sounds about as risk-free as kids being allowed to go to school full time without masks, and unvaccinated

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know a healthy 42 year old woman that just died a week after taking the second Pfizer shot .

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A 42 year old died? I don't believe you.

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me tell you , there is more to it than haulting the J&J vac for just “6” blood clots . 

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Haunting? Hunting? Halting?

Could be anything.

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But you stupid sheep fall right in place and do what Government has brained washed you to do . 

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Nope. I just don't get my information from a website called vakscene gnus like you do...

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get this experimental gene therapy shot that makes you feel like complete crap after getting it . 

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Gene therapy? Wow.

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Why would I want to run out and get this experiment shot ? 

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Because a lot of people died from it. Based upon what you have written in guessing you are ten. So if I was ten I likely wouldn't get it.

But heck even if I was of college age I would get this vaccine.

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People need to stop and think for themselves and stop thinking that government knows best for them .

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Well I would tell people to not listen to the government in general.

However, I would tell people to not listen to you either.

If people were to rationally and calmly look at the data , just about everyone reading this forum should get the vaccine.

If your physiological age does not match your mental age, and your actual age is over around 16, you probably should think about getting the vaccine.

But hey you know better.