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re: Looks like Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may also be causing blood clots

Posted on 4/17/21 at 7:34 am to
Posted by michael corleone
baton rouge
Member since Jun 2005
5807 posts
Posted on 4/17/21 at 7:34 am to
Covid causes blood clots. I know at least three that “recovered” from it, but died within 2-3 months bc they threw a blood clot.
Posted by Statestreet
Gueydan
Member since Sep 2008
12930 posts
Posted on 4/17/21 at 7:35 am to
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You have confirmation that the vaccine is unquestionably what killed him?


You have confirmation that Covid 19 is unquestionably what killed the 500,000 or so claimed "Covid deaths"?
Posted by FredBear
Georgia
Member since Aug 2017
14992 posts
Posted on 4/17/21 at 7:40 am to
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You guys are going to cheer this on and then cry when the politicians inevitably take advantage of vaccines being slowed or halted



Before I would cheer about this I would need to confirm that liberals were taking the vaccines at a much higher rate than conservatives. If so hell yes, I would be giddy as frick about it
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98775 posts
Posted on 4/17/21 at 7:45 am to
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It risk vs reaction was the focus, we would never have shut down the world, never created a vaccine in the first place


Yep
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112620 posts
Posted on 4/17/21 at 7:48 am to
Youd whack it so hard if we had more lockdowns
This post was edited on 4/17/21 at 7:48 am
Posted by BarberitosDawg
Lee County Florida across causeway
Member since Oct 2013
9914 posts
Posted on 4/17/21 at 7:52 am to
Still no blood clots almost 4 days to the hour after the second dose shot arm still a touch sore and a little hot. Other than that no problems and I'm 10 days out from not having to wear a mask anywhere anymore for covid reasons.
Posted by Sneauxghost
Member since Sep 2020
1085 posts
Posted on 4/17/21 at 7:52 am to
Why would anyone take an experimental‘vaccine’?
It’s only ‘approve’ for emergency use.
This covid has a 99.9_% survival rate.
This is like a flu. Average age of death, 78.
Average age of death due to covid, 78.
Wake up people.
Posted by dsides
Member since Jan 2013
5366 posts
Posted on 4/17/21 at 7:55 am to
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And the latter are demonstrably higher than the former.


you nor anyone fully knows the long term risks associated with either at this point
Posted by idlewatcher
County Jail
Member since Jan 2012
79111 posts
Posted on 4/17/21 at 7:58 am to
Interesting the defenders of these vax’s are always the usual suspects

Wonder who is getting paid here
Posted by shawnlsu
Member since Nov 2011
23682 posts
Posted on 4/17/21 at 8:01 am to
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Do you even realize how insanely rare those numbers actually are? Birth control, for example, causes that many issues per million. JJ produced as many as it did per 6.8 million. Over 869 million vaccines have been given and those issues are far from widespread or even anything to think twice about.


Just like the virus it was produced for.
There's no reason to produce a vaccine for something that 99.99% of the population will survive.
Posted by BarberitosDawg
Lee County Florida across causeway
Member since Oct 2013
9914 posts
Posted on 4/17/21 at 8:04 am to
Obviously you didn't grow up around Polio victims, nor did I around small pox victims. If you had and knew families who had kids in iron lungs or hideous braces just to piss you wouldn't be so calloused in your vaccinations...

To each their own.
Posted by AURaptor
South
Member since Aug 2018
11958 posts
Posted on 4/17/21 at 8:04 am to
OK, you know the drill! Everyone out of the pool. Put your masks back on, socially distance from each other, back to your homes and stop interacting with others... time to shut it down. Shut it ALL down!!
This post was edited on 4/17/21 at 8:05 am
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11089 posts
Posted on 4/17/21 at 8:12 am to
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So now risk logic is okay? It risk vs reaction was the focus, we would never have shut down the world, never created a vaccine in the first place. You are Moving the goal posts around as usual.


Absolutely...

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/jj-privately-asked-rival-covid-19-vaccine-makers-to-probe-clotting-risks-2021-04-16-81034447?mod=hp_minor_pos20

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The Wall Street Journal
J&J privately asked rival COVID-19 vaccine makers to probe clotting risks
Published: April 16, 2021 at 8:44 a.m. ET


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Johnson & Johnson privately reached out to Covid-19 vaccine rivals to ask them to join an effort to study the risks of blood clots and speak with one voice about safety, but Pfizer Inc. and Moderna Inc. declined. As concerns mounted last week over rare cases of blood clots, J&J US:JNJ asked AstraZeneca PLC US:AZN UK:AZN as well as Pfizer US:PFE and US:MRNA to join its efforts looking into the reports, people familiar with the matter said. J&J, through emails and phone calls, also sought to build an informal alliance to communicate the benefits and risks of the shots and address any concerns raised among the public by the blood-clot cases, some of the people said.


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Pfizer and Moderna executives declined the offer, saying their vaccines appeared safe, the people said. The pair also objected because they didn’t see the need to duplicate the efforts of regulators and companies already looking for blood-clot cases and investigating the cause, the people said. One company’s concern: The safety of the Pfizer and Moderna shots could be tarnished by association, some of the people said. Only AstraZeneca, which had been buffeted by similar blood-clotting concerns for weeks, agreed, the people said.


But these folks care about your well being
PS: sign up for your 3rd vaccine (exit through the gift shop...)

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-could-a-covid-vaccine-cause-blood-clots/

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How Could a COVID Vaccine Cause Blood Clots?
Researchers are searching for possible links between unusual clotting and the Oxford-AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine
By Heidi Ledford, Nature magazine on April 13, 2021


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Eichinger was among the first to notice the clotting disorder, a strange combination of blood clots—which can be dangerous, and potentially fatal, if they block blood flow to the brain or lungs—and a counter-intuitive deficiency of cell fragments called platelets that promote clotting. The clots also appeared in unusual parts of the body, such as the brain and abdomen, rather than in the legs, where most deep-vein blood clots form. This rang alarm bells for Eichinger, who had previously encountered a similar phenomenon in a few people who had been treated with the blood-thinning drug heparin. Heparin is normally used to prevent clotting, but in very rare cases can trigger a syndrome called heparin-induced thrombocytopenia (HIT), which causes blood clots together with low platelet levels. By 22 March, the EMA had assembled 86 reports of people who had experienced blood clots in the brain or abdomen within two weeks of receiving a dose of the Oxford–AstraZeneca vaccine, developed in Britain by AstraZeneca in Cambridge and the University of Oxford. Some of these cases have been confirmed to bear the hallmarks of HIT, even though these people had not received heparin.


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And, critically, van Gorp and his colleagues will try to further evaluate whether the “probable” association between the vaccine and the syndrome is real. It is notoriously difficult to confirm whether a suspected rare effect of a vaccine is truly linked to the vaccine—particularly when it is a vaccine that has been used in tens of millions of people. “Somebody who gets the vaccine could have a stroke or a heart attack a week later because they were already going to have a stroke or a heart attack,” says cardiologist Behnood Bikdeli at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston, Massachusetts.


So now confounding factors matter
Where was live and let die when we were flattening the curve


To be clear:

The onus on them is to be damn near perfect as they are recommending worldwide intervention (including healthy people)
frick them, their hubris, and their misrepresentation of the risks involved (from the treatment and the disease)





Those who fail to learn from history...
This post was edited on 4/17/21 at 8:25 am
Posted by shawnlsu
Member since Nov 2011
23682 posts
Posted on 4/17/21 at 8:23 am to
FEAR PORN!
They want you scared of everything, the virus, the vaccine and the cure. It's all about control.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
42407 posts
Posted on 4/17/21 at 8:26 am to
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Can you find his cause of death? I can’t. All I can find is he died in his sleep and they are very vocal about they are super duper, 100% sure and want to publicly state it definitely wasn’t a Covid vaccine. Which seems odd because they will not actually list a cause of death and it seems like it was just written off as natural causes. To go from health to dead like that without any explanation and the over the top it’s not the vaccine just seems odd.

No, his cause of death hasn’t been released to the public, which is why we can’t just declare the vaccine to be what, without question, killed him like the post I was replying to did. Whether the vaccine had any impact on his death is something the public doesn’t know.
This post was edited on 4/17/21 at 8:28 am
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
42407 posts
Posted on 4/17/21 at 8:29 am to
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You have confirmation that Covid 19 is unquestionably what killed the 500,000 or so claimed "Covid deaths"?


I don’t know, I’ve never declared all of them to be COVID deaths. That wasn’t the point of my post. My point was that you can’t just declare that Hank Aaron absolutely died from the vaccine when those of us in the public have no way of knowing that with any certainty.
Posted by RooBoy
Member since Apr 2021
396 posts
Posted on 4/17/21 at 8:30 am to
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Yet the alarm form the CDC states ...The recent rise in cases are the direct result of infections is ....children and the young.


The CDC is LYING.
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
12885 posts
Posted on 4/17/21 at 8:32 am to
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This is the point that that vaccine skeptics miss. Getting Covid carries risks. There are two paths you can choose: getting the vaccine or not getting it. If you avoid the risks inherent in a vaccine then you take on the risks of getting Covid. And the latter are demonstrably higher than the former.

Only 9% of the population in the US have ever tested positive for Covid. This includes false positives. This also includes the peak periods of positivity rates.

Now that we are on the lower end of infection rates, we have 24% of the population choosing to get vaccines.
Posted by Wildcat1996
Lexington, KY
Member since Jul 2020
5976 posts
Posted on 4/17/21 at 8:33 am to
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Utilizing a search criteria that included reports of blood clots associated with blood coagulation disorders, VAERS yielded a total of 795 reports for all three vaccines from Dec. 14, 2020 through April 1, 2021.


This is really misleading as an incident includes thrombotic events, but doesn't mean there were 800 of them. Other incidents may include injection site reactions, light-headedness, dizziness, and other relatively benign conditions that are common to all injections...including saline.

Sorry your vaccine is safe?


Now get to downvoting this post. You know you can't help yourselves.
This post was edited on 4/17/21 at 8:35 am
Posted by Lee Chatelain
I love the OT!
Member since Oct 2008
11343 posts
Posted on 4/17/21 at 8:35 am to
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You guys are going to cheer this on and then cry when the politicians inevitably take advantage of vaccines being slowed or halted


Didn’t they kind of already do that?
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