re: Looks like Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may also be causing blood clots

Had my second Pfizer on Thursday. Was a little sluggish until today. Just finished working out all good for me. Got my shite card laminated

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Additionally, the shot is a conscious choice. If there is any risk, why take the risk?

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Everything is a risk. Crossing a street is a risk. Walking down stairs is a risk. Talking an aspirin is a risk. Everything has a reward. The key is to minimize risks while maximizing rewards.

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For those who are healthy, not scared of Covid, and have already lived through a year of it, the risk in the vaccine seems excessive, even if currently debatable

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The risk of clot is literally less than the proverbial one in a million chance.

You are more likely to be hit by lightning. You are way more likely to be attacked by a shark. You are way more likely to die from a car crash.

And good lord, I talk about the risks on liberal sites and say young healthy people have maybe a 1 in 25 to maybe even 50,000 chance of dying from covid. I tell idiot leftists that if you are below 40 and healthy you have a tiny chance of dying.

The odds of getting a clot from the vaccine is 20 to 100 times lower than that. It's just insane.

6 people. 6 out of 6.8 million. And the fricktards that got the vaccine are like oh my God, what do I do? fricking live your life. You are pretty much bullet proof from covid. Oh, and you have a tiny miniscule chance of something happening.

Do people know how to weigh risks versus rewards?

People here laugh at the liberals because the chances of dying from this are low and they get their panties in a wad over this.

Well idiots here are getting upset at something that happens less than one in a million.

People have no idea how to maximize their risks/ rewards profile.

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oh absolutely. as far as the vaccine itself, two totally different things

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The vaccines actually followed pretty similar timelines. Attenuated polio vaccines were granted emergency usage 11 months after discovery. Salk's vaccine was licensed internationally less than two years after discovery

Covid can cause blood clots too, I did not get shot

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The odds of getting a clot from the vaccine is 20 to 100 times lower than that. It's just insane.

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But is it 20 or is it 100? I’m not expecting an answer. The reason I’m asking is because in the past year only 9% of the US have ever tested positive for Covid. And that includes false positives and peak periods of contamination. Yet we’re hitting the accelerator on getting the vaccine at a rate now approaching 30% of the population with the goal being much higher. Isn’t it fair to be asking if we are increasing a risk for a portion of the population that would otherwise not be at risk?

Just today my wife and I had lunch with some friends, one of whom has worked as an ER nurse for the past 20 years. She said they saw a sudden increase in admissions with blood clots and 100% of them had recently received the Covid vaccine, with one patient not surviving. She was aware of this before the news was being reported. She advised her experience at her hospital was the reason she was not recommending these vaccines.

By brother in law has been an internationally respected medical researcher for the past 30 years. He’s not recommending these vaccines for people not in high risk groups.

What are these people overlooking?

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You guys are going to cheer this on

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What's funny is the same people pointing to this to take a victory lap are the same dudes on here who were praising Trump and giving him credit for getting this vaccine out as quickly as "he did"

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The former chief scientist for Pfizer said the only reason you would ever make a vaccine for something as non lethal as covid is population control - pay attention.

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We get vaccines for flu every year, and that's ten times less lethal than covid. We have vaccines for chickenpox which is probably a hundred times less lethal than covid.

Where do you guys get this shite from?

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But is it 20 or is it 100? I’m not expecting an answer.

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It's an interesting question. Every 40 seconds someone in the US has a stroke. The rate runs about 800,000/yr. In 2021, each of those instances bearing ANY temporal association with vaccination will inevitably be assigned as complication to vaccination by vaccine skeptics. Just as random deaths during the autumn vaccine studies were attributed to the vaccine, even though random deaths in the placebo group exceeded those in the vaccine group.

So here are a few knowns. Risk of hospitalization due to CV19 (pre-vaccine) is 4.6 per 100,000 in the general population. Of those hospitalized with Covid-19, 21% experience thrombosis with embolism. So roughly 1 person per 100,000 would contract CV19, then have a TE. To my knowledge about 200,000,000 mRNA doses have been administered, and there have been 2 or 3 reports of TE and/or HIT, i.e. roughly 1 in one hundred million.

However, the 'traditional' (AZ, J&J) vaccines have been associated with about 90 cases of thrombosis. So that's more of a concern. Both of those rely on adenoviruses. It could be that the adenovirus is triggering thrombosis. Incidence is still low, but if you're young and healthy, and you are unlucky enough to experience a TE 2° to the J&J injection, your personal incidence is 100%. Nonetheless the risk remains lower than would be the case in a CV19 infection.

When your brother in law recommends against "these" vaccines, one question worth asking is "Which "these" is he referencing?" As he's international, his experience may well be predicated on the AZ inoculum. The AZ version is not even a true CV19 vaccine and confers lower immunity, yet carries its own risks. I'd be luke-warm on it as well.

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Deaths by suicide

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Down nearly 6% last year from 2019 numbers