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re: Looks like a plane hit a Helicopter at DCA airport

Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:59 am to
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:59 am to
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You actually thought someone was going to survive that huge explosion in the air?


They say some of the Discovery astronauts were alive while they were falling after it exploded.
Posted by Enadious
formerly B5Lurker City of Central
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:59 am to
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That may be true but it's not funny. Not now, not in this press conference.

Trump's people have got to be exploding with anger behind the scenes right now because this is a political disaster for him. I am speechless that he just keeps going.

Oh, Trump's not presidential enough? All the past presidential bullshite has brought him, and us, to the point of 'frick it.' If the previous admin were idiots, he can call them that. I don't care. Think of all the bullshite the left has said about Trump in places they shouldn't have. No one was left speechless over that.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
16086 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:01 am to
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Discovery astronauts were alive while they were falling after it exploded.


They were, but terminal speed contact with the water is nearly un-survivable.

As LSUGrrrl knows, the PK (probable kill) of the ground is 100%. (Stolen from Razor 03)
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:05 am to
Posted by DBeaux225
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:08 am to
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Trump is live giving a statement about this tragic accident, watching Real America's Voice.


He sounded like a fool up there
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
23528 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:15 am to
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The CRJ was in a wing high, left turn for most of that - as they transitioned from RWY 1 to RWY 33.

Extremely unlikely they ever saw the helicopter, and even more unlikely - virtually impossible - for them to have executed an evasive maneuver to avoid a collision while in that configuration & airspeed. Gear down, flaps fully deployed, engines spooled way down.
Tuscaloosa, thank you for posting from experience. I think it confirms what a lot of us suspected, but can't claim due to lack of direct knowledge.

My own impression would be the equivalent of running a railroad crossing with the train maybe a hundred yards away, and the airliner being the train.
At that moment, they have zero viable option- if they maneuver to avoid the collision with the helicopter (if they even saw them), they're still going to crash the plane. Either into the river or on the ground somewhere. Practical reality puts it on the helicopter at that moment, get out of the way or get hit.

Questions arise about ATC allowing the helicopter to be so close, but I no nothing of the protocols on that. It seems strange to run training missions in such close proximity to a civilian airport.... maybe the training involves being able to dart in and out of traffic. I don't know. But if so, it might be wiser to do so around a military airbase, instead of civilians. Does the Navy or Coast Guard run training missions on top of cruise liners coming into or out of dock? Seems like the same principle.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:31 am to
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The CRJ was in a wing high, left turn for most of that - as they transitioned from RWY 1 to RWY 33.

Wouldn’t they be in a right turn? I guess it would briefly be a left turn when they trued it up. Actually, they had to be on the LOC by the time they hit that altitude.
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and even more unlikely - virtually impossible - for them to have executed an evasive maneuver to avoid a collision while in that configuration & airspeed. Gear down, flaps fully deployed, engines spooled way down.

A lot of truth in that. They could change altitude by 50 feet or so very quickly and either up or down - both having their dangers of obstacles and stalling respectively.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 11:34 am
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58520 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:33 am to
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Trump blaming Obama and Biden for changes in ATC. Not a good look in this moment.
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Trump's people have got to be exploding with anger behind the scenes right now because this is a political disaster for him
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his is a horrendous look for Trump and he deserves every bit of criticism that he's going to get from both voters and the media (left wing and right wing).

really? just disastrous? exaggeration much?
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:38 am to
Yea histrionic.
Posted by AirbusDawg
Milton, Ga
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:42 am to
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Wouldn’t they be in a right turn? I guess it would briefly be a left turn when they trued it up. Actually, they had to be on the LOC by the time they hit that altitude.


They were on the Mt Vernon visual approach for RWY1 and switched to RWY 33 about 3 minutes out. Not really unusual based on departing traffic on RWY 1. Would be using visual of RWY at that point.
Posted by Boodis Man
Member since Sep 2020
8368 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:46 am to
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Are you suggesting this was intentional? I don't think there's been any evidence, other than circumstantial, that this was intentional.


I want a thorough explanation for what happened and want to see all the evidence. I’m never taking anyone’s word again when it comes to anything involving military
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 11:47 am
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:50 am to
very informative
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:54 am to
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Wouldn’t they be in a right turn? I guess it would briefly be a left turn when they trued it up. Actually, they had to be on the LOC by the time they hit that altitude.


Yes - by that point they had turned final, which would mean they had just completed a left turn to align with the runway. Visual, not LOC though.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:03 pm to
Posted by cajunangelle
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:06 pm to
Posted by RelicBatches86
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:22 pm to
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:27 pm to
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Questions arise about ATC allowing the helicopter to be so close, but I no nothing of the protocols on that. It seems strange to run training missions in such close proximity to a civilian airport.... maybe the training involves being able to dart in and out of traffic. I don't know. But if so, it might be wiser to do so around a military airbase, instead of civilians. Does the Navy or Coast Guard run training missions on top of cruise liners coming into or out of dock? Seems like the same principle.



It does.

Perhaps this has already been discussed, but I was listing to a congressman who was a flight surgeon for the military prior to becoming a congressman. As such, he flew on many Blackhawk missions (including training missions) in his career. He discussed the ATC telling the helicopter pilot to "go behind the CRJ". He noted there was a plane which appears to had just taken off from that runway prior to the crash and that, perhaps, the helicopter pilot was was mistaken as to which plane ATC was referring to and thought he WAS going "behind the CRJ"...which is why he takes a direct path into the CRJ he hit.
Posted by tilco
Spanish Fort, AL
Member since Nov 2013
14480 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:28 pm to
Do we know the names of the helicopter crew yet?
Posted by TigerNAtux
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2007
18622 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:29 pm to
Be careful not to scrutinize Trump and his ill-timed mouth.

I got scourged last night for questioning his Truth Social post, which I thought was a bad look.

Love everything he has done policy-wise. But read the damn room.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
167350 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:38 pm to
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Here is a list of passengers names released so far

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said Thursday the Army is investigating whether the Black Hawk's altitude played a role.

The helicopter was on a training flight, Hegseth confirmed, and carrying three soldiers.

Their identities have not yet been confirmed, but U.S. authorities did say none of the three were senior Army officials.
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