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re: Liz Cheney and Ron spout the same talking points on Jan 6th

Posted on 7/18/23 at 1:54 pm to
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57817 posts
Posted on 7/18/23 at 1:54 pm to
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He blamed Trump for not doing anything and that is a horrible easy to prove lie.


No he didn't you emotional woman.

quote:

“So look, there’s a difference between being brought up on criminal charges and doing things like, for example, I think it was shown how he was in the White House and didn’t do anything while, while things were going on. He should have come out more forcefully, of course, that. But to try to criminalize that, that’s a different issue entirely, and I think that we want to be in a situation where, you know, you don’t have one side just constantly trying to put the other side in jail. And that unfortunately is what we’re seeing now.”


This is the full quote when asked of the question. The bold is what you are hysterically posting about. What do those 7 words mean?

quote:

Stated it prior to Jan 6th, the day of, during his speech (early as you stated) and then after the DOJ plants started all of this.



Correct. And what DeSantis is referring to was the 3 hour gap when everything went to shite. From the moment during his speech, where he states "protest peacefully" to him coming out and saying "remain preacfull" how much time elapsed? What happened in that time?

1:10 PM to 3:15 PM. In that time frame, Ashli Babbot was murdered. He tweeted 30 minutes after.

And in summation, and based on the brief remarks from DeSantis, the only people blowing this out of proportion or insinuating are actual Trump supporters.

Even Trump's own son said Trump should "end this shite". By you and BBOND25's ratioanle, then Trump Jr. is guilty of exactly what you are accusing Ron of.
This post was edited on 7/18/23 at 1:54 pm
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
178833 posts
Posted on 7/18/23 at 1:54 pm to
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He should have never called for anyone to go to DC on Jan 6 and should have never riled them up.


we have cities that have burned down in the name of "racism" and nobody has done shite about any of that.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130119 posts
Posted on 7/18/23 at 1:54 pm to
There’s no one point. There’s one statement and you INTENTIONALLY changed it to hide the meaning.

Trump condemned Jan 6 himself, and many conservative commentators have said everyone should have acted sooner.

You’re grasping.

You are absolute scum. Anyone who can’t see you for what you are is also scum.

You’re driving people who would vote for Trump away from him. Stop this nonsense.

Support your candidate based on real things. Unless…he isn’t actually your candidate?
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29688 posts
Posted on 7/18/23 at 1:55 pm to
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Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59340 posts
Posted on 7/18/23 at 1:56 pm to
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I take it back. You aren't acting LIKE jjdoc, you are jjdoc. Irrational women screaming at everyone.


pointing out that Jon Ham is either ignorant or lying is really easy. He presents several opportunities a day. I simply posted a fact. Not sure why that caused such a strong response from you.
Posted by 14&Counting
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2012
42052 posts
Posted on 7/18/23 at 1:56 pm to
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Let’s zoom out on this for a moment. Anyone think swing voting normies are going to vote for any GOP candidate who’s like “January 6th was fine.”

That alone would give the Dems the election, AGAIN.




This is the issue I have with the whole thing and the issue that seems to escape these moronic Trump supporters like the OP. From January 6th onwards, I knew we were fricked.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57817 posts
Posted on 7/18/23 at 1:56 pm to
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The only part I objected to was the untrue part. I’m not sure why that is difficult to understand.



Because it's a matter of opinion. The same opinion that Trump Jr. had, but you guys aren't losing your shite over that, why?

The quote is, "He could have been more forceful" and you and Jjdoc are accusing him of believing Trump is guilty of sedition and starting a riot.

That is called hysterics. And if you don't believe that, then stop copying that moron Jjdoc.
This post was edited on 7/18/23 at 1:57 pm
Posted by JoeHackett
Member since Aug 2016
5171 posts
Posted on 7/18/23 at 1:56 pm to
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we have cities that have burned down in the name of "racism" and nobody has done shite about any of that.



Who was President during the 2020 BLM riots?
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55612 posts
Posted on 7/18/23 at 1:56 pm to
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No he didn't you emotional woman.



You just lied with your OWN QUOTE:

quote:

quote:
“So look, there’s a difference between being brought up on criminal charges and doing things like, for example, I think it was shown how he was in the White House and didn’t do anything while, while things were going on. He should have come out more forcefully, of course, that. But to try to criminalize that, that’s a different issue entirely, and I think that we want to be in a situation where, you know, you don’t have one side just constantly trying to put the other side in jail. And that unfortunately is what we’re seeing now.”


See that. Bet you don;t.

Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87283 posts
Posted on 7/18/23 at 1:56 pm to
Ultimately Trump loyalists are jellyfish. We usually talk about them not holding firm to ideological positions (true), but really it's everything. You can't hold them to their political/practical/tactical standards they apply to everyone else.

Any attempt to highlight hypocrisy is met with an excuse or some deflection. Which, I guess, they learned from Trump.

My favorite is the whole "listen DeSantis is going to have to win back the Trump people if he's successful so he can't criticize Trump. I don't make the rules, I'm just telling you how it is." Yet the people who say this are exactly the same people who are going to swear off DeSantis for engaging with their hero.

At root, it's intellectual dishonesty.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 7/18/23 at 1:58 pm to
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I believe it was 12 minutes.



1:45 p.m.: Rioters push past police and an officer announces that it is "now effectively a riot," although officers are trying to get compliance.

2:00 p.m.: Rioters force their way past barricades and advance to the exterior facade of the Capitol, forcing their way into the building.

2:10 p.m.: Rioters begin to break through the doors and windows of the Senate.

2:20 p.m.: Congress members are instructed to evacuate the chambers.

2:24 p.m.: Trump tweets that Pence "didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country and our Constitution."

2:38 p.m.: Trump urges people to "support our Capitol police and law enforcement," and tweets that "they are truly on the side of our country. Stay peaceful!"

2:41 p.m.-2:43 p.m.: A group of rioters attempts to get through a locked set of doors outside the House Chamber. Protester Ashli Babbitt is fatally shot while trying to crawl through it.

3:05 p.m.: House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy tells WUSA that he called the president to urge him to "calm people down."

4:05 p.m.: Biden holds a press conference and calls for Trump to demand the "siege" of the Capitol ends.

4:17 p.m.: Trump posts a video on social media telling rioters that he knows their pain and hurt. "We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now ... We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. ... So go home. We love you, you're very special. ... I know how you feel. But go home and go home in peace," he says.




152 minutes.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
37740 posts
Posted on 7/18/23 at 1:58 pm to
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we have cities that have burned down in the name of "racism" and nobody has done shite about any of that.



Yeah. During Trump’s DOJ in liberal cities


And how idiotic and lacking of foresight did he have to call people to the den of the swamp?
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55612 posts
Posted on 7/18/23 at 1:58 pm to
quote:

Because it's a matter of opinion. The same opinion that Trump Jr. had


No it isn't. One said that he did nothing, the other stated it needs to stop.

Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22676 posts
Posted on 7/18/23 at 2:00 pm to
quote:

You intentionally changed Desantis’s comments to make it seem something it isn’t.

You deserve an arse kicking to be honest.

It's all he, Gumbo, the crazy cat lady and a few others have. They can pretend they don't understand how dishonest they're being, but that's acknowledgment of being retarded. Has to be one or the other, or both.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55612 posts
Posted on 7/18/23 at 2:00 pm to
quote:

152 minutes.




Wrong. He tweeted out.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59340 posts
Posted on 7/18/23 at 2:01 pm to
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Because it's a matter of opinion.


No it’s not. DeSantis said Trump didn’t do anything. That is factually incorrect.

quote:

The same opinion that Trump Jr. had, but you guys aren't losing your shite over that, why?


That was a text from that day when information was flowing in and we have no clue who trump jr sent that to or what trump was being told or advised to do.

DeSantis has the luxury of access to all of the facts and he still made a factually incorrect statement. I simply pointed that out.


quote:

The quote is, "He could have been more forceful"


Nope. The factually incorrect statement I quoted was when DeSantis said this:

“it was shown how he was in the White House and didn’t do anything”
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59340 posts
Posted on 7/18/23 at 2:02 pm to
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Who was President during the 2020 BLM riots?


You think the President has the power to go into cities and quell riots? All he can do is offer national guard, which he did. And was rejected by the democrat mayors. Did you not know this?
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28046 posts
Posted on 7/18/23 at 2:03 pm to
quote:

To be fair, Rob is better than Liz.




To be fair, you're better than fat bastard.

But not by much these days.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22676 posts
Posted on 7/18/23 at 2:04 pm to
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All he can do is offer national guard, which he did. And was rejected by the democrat mayors. Did you not know this?

I don't remember the governor of Alabama asking Kennedy to send the guard to BAMA. Am I forgetting how that transpired?
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87283 posts
Posted on 7/18/23 at 2:04 pm to
Perhaps Trump's worst legacy to America is this (hopefully temporary) redefining of alpha masculinity into whining, excuse-making, victimized garbage.

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