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Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:29 am to Robin Masters
One thing that potentially sticks out is the use of "domicile" and "residence" under the states laws (ie Florida), these terms of art have specific meaning.
However, as an illegal, you cannot establish domicile or residence under our laws.
However, as an illegal, you cannot establish domicile or residence under our laws.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:33 am to ReauxlTide222
Major troll. Of course it will be overturned even though Katanji, the messycan, and Kagan vote politically!!
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:35 am to Alt26
quote:They'll duck this on the basis that POTUS out of his lane determining citizenship. My bet is they'll not address anything related to the 14th A.
They didn't duck Dobbs,
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:39 am to udtiger
"This is why a simple solution to this is for Congress to exclude illegals from jurisdiction for the purposes of birthright citizenship by statute."
I cannot recall the author or source, but I recall reading an article several years ago that made the argument that birthright citizenship had not been as decisively established as many, including myself, had thought in the Chinese laundry case (apologies if I am misremembering the case). And even if it had, that case was decided at the end of the 19th century and could be reconsidered. In any event, I remember being persuaded that Congress could, within the existing jurisprudential framework, legislate in this area to do away with birthright citizenship if desired. I am not as clear on how an EO could do away with birthright citizenship, and the one judge obviously found it to be wanting.
I cannot recall the author or source, but I recall reading an article several years ago that made the argument that birthright citizenship had not been as decisively established as many, including myself, had thought in the Chinese laundry case (apologies if I am misremembering the case). And even if it had, that case was decided at the end of the 19th century and could be reconsidered. In any event, I remember being persuaded that Congress could, within the existing jurisprudential framework, legislate in this area to do away with birthright citizenship if desired. I am not as clear on how an EO could do away with birthright citizenship, and the one judge obviously found it to be wanting.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:41 am to FightinTigersDammit
quote:
SFP in 3, 2, 1...
He's doing a good job at being the loyal opposition.
While I'm not persuaded by his argument, his putting it out there helps all of us from being trapped in an information bubble.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:44 am to TrueTiger
Slo provides his own information bubble
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:45 am to Robin Masters
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Making it across the border by hook or crook and squirting out a kid is not the basis of citizenship policy. It’s ridiculous on its surface.
This ^^^ is the correct observation.
Birthright citizenship was intended for immigrants who entered the US legally and were committed to assimilation and eventual citizenship....not invaders looking to occupy and fundamentally transform America into some disorganized 3rd world shite hole.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:51 am to Timeoday
Ann Coulter is the best source for this issue and has been for a very long time. It was Coulter that informed Trump about this back in 2015 and even highlighted portions of one of her books and sent it to the Trump team. She's been beating this drum forever. Levin should have given her some credit here.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:09 am to NC_Tigah
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Our cowardly SCOTUS will duck the case just as it did w/ Tx v Pa.
I don't think they can. If the executive acts as though they aren't citizens, they will have standing to challenge.
All comes down to Roberts and Barrett.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:37 am to Timeoday
I agree totally with the conservative point of 'jurisdiction thereof' law-speak.
BUT - I have a fall back position.
SO WHAT if the baby is a 'citizen' - its parents are not citizens. If they are here illegally, put them in jail and then deport them.
NOW - what to do with the new baby? - well that is up to the PARENTs!!! - just like it would be for anyone else with a baby.
Take care of it.
IF you cannot stay here without going to jail - find someone to take care of it.
IF you ABANDON your child to try leaving, then you have committed another felony -- and your arse goes to jail for a LONG time and then you get deported.
It is not the USA who is 'separating families' it the felonious FAMILY that chooses to be separated by abandoning their infant.
I don't see the problem with this - what do we do with a good old American citizen who abandons his child??? - whatever it is = same for the alien.
Why isn't this discussed more??
BUT - I have a fall back position.
SO WHAT if the baby is a 'citizen' - its parents are not citizens. If they are here illegally, put them in jail and then deport them.
NOW - what to do with the new baby? - well that is up to the PARENTs!!! - just like it would be for anyone else with a baby.
Take care of it.
IF you cannot stay here without going to jail - find someone to take care of it.
IF you ABANDON your child to try leaving, then you have committed another felony -- and your arse goes to jail for a LONG time and then you get deported.
It is not the USA who is 'separating families' it the felonious FAMILY that chooses to be separated by abandoning their infant.
I don't see the problem with this - what do we do with a good old American citizen who abandons his child??? - whatever it is = same for the alien.
Why isn't this discussed more??
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:54 am to ChineseBandit58
As Tom Homan said, "Deport families together".
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:55 am to Dandy Chiggins
yea i agree with SFP many times...but he is 100000% wrong on this one.
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