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re: Let's talk about school vouchers in Louisiana (A Policy Analysis)

Posted on 10/21/23 at 11:31 pm to
Posted by Billions
Member since Oct 2023
270 posts
Posted on 10/21/23 at 11:31 pm to
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I agree with you, but I don’t feel comfortable putting the on onus on the kid. It’s the parents that should get the blame for that.

I guess technically, it's true that when 2 basically retarded people breed, there's a good chance their progeny will be stupid too.
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 10/21/23 at 11:49 pm to
There's money to be made and it applies downward pressure on wages, so people will be convinced to support it.

A school district is only as good as its students. You can predict how good a school district is by the demographics. The income levels and racial breakdowns. Once you get to 65% black and above there are no good school districts. None.

It's not like the Central school district has different policies or a wildly different curriculum than Baton Rouge school districts.

Posted by TigerAllNightLong
Member since Jul 2023
1161 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 6:25 am to
Compulsory education is a joke. Until that’s eliminated, publicly funded education will be nothing more than a useless government jobs program.
Posted by Bulldogblitz
In my house
Member since Dec 2018
28161 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 6:35 am to
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what does this have to do with anything? Only the best and brightest deserve a public education?


It appears the ones using the vouchers don't deserve the vouchers.
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
13288 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 6:42 am to
Junk analysis and framing make this conclusion worthless. While test scores are important, student growth is a far more impactful measure of success.

Furthermore, many of the voucher students are at these schools because they are already far behind
Posted by Bulldogblitz
In my house
Member since Dec 2018
28161 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 6:43 am to
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Yes, the city should be responsible for paying 25-50% for that extra security, for not doing a good enough job. Especially when homeowners in the area needing to do this on there own are paying $50k/year+ in property taxes.


The city/county/parish are probably busy trying to encourage ways to get "affordable housing" near those gates too. Here, we have a nice family community but the county keeps trying to place section 8 housing across the street from the very large planned community. It's inexplicable as none of the elected officials mention this drive when they campaign.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139019 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 6:54 am to
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they were found to negatively impact student achievement.
That is such an interesting finding. What is the explanation ... other than study funding, of course?
This post was edited on 10/22/23 at 6:58 am
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
80001 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 7:08 am to
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It appears the ones using the vouchers don't deserve the vouchers
Nobody "deserves" vouchers. If used for private school they are just another handout that exceeds what you've paid in taxes towards the schools, especially if you have multiple kids.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 7:11 am to
Its bizarre how Democrats hate choice simply because it goes against the Teachers union desire.

It helps the poor, it helps the high achiever.

Why do you want to force kids to attend shitty schools?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 7:12 am to
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turns out it doesn’t matter where they go to school. no way


We need to stop funding education for those who don't value it.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 7:13 am to
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It appears the ones using the vouchers don't deserve the vouchers.


Right.

Mainstreaming needs to end. Kids that don't value school need to be out of the classroom.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 7:15 am to
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Nobody "deserves" vouchers.


They beat Public school.

Why would anyone support the current system?
Posted by Rip Torner
Member since Jul 2023
2350 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 7:15 am to
100% correct
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139019 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 7:16 am to
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when’s the last time you used the fire department? Called the police? Do you hope to get refunds for those services as well?
Cubbies, you've rung that bell previously. The answer is the same. Re: fire, police, rescue services, etc., my use for, or need for, or benefit from them is identical to my neighbors' therefore my cost is as well.

However, if I have well-water and solar-panels, should I have to pay for water and electricity at my neighbor's rate. Should I have to pay as if I were consuming those resources? Of course not!

If my child opts out of a decrepit public school, and instead attends a school better matched to her capabilities, that is one less student needing to sap public school resources, meaning the school saves money. If it costs $8K/student, and I remove one student and her funding, the school remains on par.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
80001 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 7:18 am to
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Why would anyone support the current system?
I'm against them being used for private schools. If you want to move around to different districts, fine.

Many on this board lament handouts, except when they might be eligible. Then they engage in all manner of rationalization.
Posted by cssamerican
Member since Mar 2011
8219 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 7:23 am to
Public schools, particularly EBR, often face criticism, but it's worth noting that Baton Rouge Magnet High stands out as one of the best schools in the state, whether public, private, or charter. This suggests that the individuals overseeing education aren't necessarily incompetent.

The challenge lies in students' home environments, something that's difficult to change. In Baton Rouge, there's a pattern of segregation, whether it's financial, geographical, or even based on academic performance. The ongoing efforts in places like St. George further this divide. As a result, students lacking a strong educational focus at home may struggle academically. They lack the peer pressure to excel and don't witness success among their peers or their peers' parents.

Rather than dismantling public schools, a more effective approach might involve rethinking them, they worked very well historically, we just screwed them up recently.
This post was edited on 10/22/23 at 7:25 am
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
32736 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 7:33 am to
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Kids that don't value school need to be out of the classroom


Agreed, but where do they go?
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 7:47 am to
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when’s the last time you used the fire department? Called the police? Do you hope to get refunds for those services as well?


I love when commies bring up the fire department.

I can feel it in my plums :royflmao:
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139019 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 7:48 am to
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Many on this board lament handouts
The handout is a fact of life. "Free public education!"
That's the handout.
Except Public Education is not free.
It costs a set amount per student.
So that set amount is actually the handout.

Our primary/secondary nonchoice school systems are among the most expensive and least productive on the planet. Why?
Because there is limited (or no) accountability. Money following the student would change that.

Put another way, I can afford to send my kids to Phillips Andover. Scott Smith, father of the 14y/o who was raped and sodomized on her high school's bathroom floor, cannot afford such things. Neither can families of most of the kids attending the 13 failing Baltimore high schools. They are not getting a "handout," they are getting a sentence.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61438 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 7:49 am to
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my use for, or need for, or benefit from them is identical to my neighbors' therefore my cost is as well.


Everyone in society benefits from an educated populace.

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However, if I have well-water and solar-panels, should I have to pay for water and electricity at my neighbor's rate.
people aren’t billed the same amount to pay for public education. In most places, educational funding is tied to property taxes which vary by property.

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If it costs $8K/student, and I remove one student and her funding, the school remains on par.
well that’s not exactly how the funding works. Schools get paid per pupil at different points in the school year (I think the counts are on Oct 1 and Feb 1).
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