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re: Let's talk about school vouchers in Louisiana (A Policy Analysis)
Posted on 10/21/23 at 11:31 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 10/21/23 at 11:31 pm to 4cubbies
quote:I guess technically, it's true that when 2 basically retarded people breed, there's a good chance their progeny will be stupid too.
I agree with you, but I don’t feel comfortable putting the on onus on the kid. It’s the parents that should get the blame for that.
Posted on 10/21/23 at 11:49 pm to WinnPtiger
There's money to be made and it applies downward pressure on wages, so people will be convinced to support it.
A school district is only as good as its students. You can predict how good a school district is by the demographics. The income levels and racial breakdowns. Once you get to 65% black and above there are no good school districts. None.
It's not like the Central school district has different policies or a wildly different curriculum than Baton Rouge school districts.
A school district is only as good as its students. You can predict how good a school district is by the demographics. The income levels and racial breakdowns. Once you get to 65% black and above there are no good school districts. None.
It's not like the Central school district has different policies or a wildly different curriculum than Baton Rouge school districts.
Posted on 10/22/23 at 6:25 am to 4cubbies
Compulsory education is a joke. Until that’s eliminated, publicly funded education will be nothing more than a useless government jobs program.
Posted on 10/22/23 at 6:35 am to 4cubbies
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what does this have to do with anything? Only the best and brightest deserve a public education?
It appears the ones using the vouchers don't deserve the vouchers.
Posted on 10/22/23 at 6:42 am to 4cubbies
Junk analysis and framing make this conclusion worthless. While test scores are important, student growth is a far more impactful measure of success.
Furthermore, many of the voucher students are at these schools because they are already far behind
Furthermore, many of the voucher students are at these schools because they are already far behind
Posted on 10/22/23 at 6:43 am to RealityWinsOut
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Yes, the city should be responsible for paying 25-50% for that extra security, for not doing a good enough job. Especially when homeowners in the area needing to do this on there own are paying $50k/year+ in property taxes.
The city/county/parish are probably busy trying to encourage ways to get "affordable housing" near those gates too. Here, we have a nice family community but the county keeps trying to place section 8 housing across the street from the very large planned community. It's inexplicable as none of the elected officials mention this drive when they campaign.
Posted on 10/22/23 at 6:54 am to 4cubbies
quote:That is such an interesting finding. What is the explanation ... other than study funding, of course?
they were found to negatively impact student achievement.
This post was edited on 10/22/23 at 6:58 am
Posted on 10/22/23 at 7:08 am to Bulldogblitz
quote:Nobody "deserves" vouchers. If used for private school they are just another handout that exceeds what you've paid in taxes towards the schools, especially if you have multiple kids.
It appears the ones using the vouchers don't deserve the vouchers
Posted on 10/22/23 at 7:11 am to 4cubbies
Its bizarre how Democrats hate choice simply because it goes against the Teachers union desire.
It helps the poor, it helps the high achiever.
Why do you want to force kids to attend shitty schools?
It helps the poor, it helps the high achiever.
Why do you want to force kids to attend shitty schools?
Posted on 10/22/23 at 7:12 am to WinnPtiger
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turns out it doesn’t matter where they go to school. no way
We need to stop funding education for those who don't value it.
Posted on 10/22/23 at 7:13 am to Bulldogblitz
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It appears the ones using the vouchers don't deserve the vouchers.
Right.
Mainstreaming needs to end. Kids that don't value school need to be out of the classroom.
Posted on 10/22/23 at 7:15 am to Jake88
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Nobody "deserves" vouchers.
They beat Public school.
Why would anyone support the current system?
Posted on 10/22/23 at 7:16 am to 4cubbies
quote:Cubbies, you've rung that bell previously. The answer is the same. Re: fire, police, rescue services, etc., my use for, or need for, or benefit from them is identical to my neighbors' therefore my cost is as well.
when’s the last time you used the fire department? Called the police? Do you hope to get refunds for those services as well?
However, if I have well-water and solar-panels, should I have to pay for water and electricity at my neighbor's rate. Should I have to pay as if I were consuming those resources? Of course not!
If my child opts out of a decrepit public school, and instead attends a school better matched to her capabilities, that is one less student needing to sap public school resources, meaning the school saves money. If it costs $8K/student, and I remove one student and her funding, the school remains on par.
Posted on 10/22/23 at 7:18 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I'm against them being used for private schools. If you want to move around to different districts, fine.
Why would anyone support the current system?
Many on this board lament handouts, except when they might be eligible. Then they engage in all manner of rationalization.
Posted on 10/22/23 at 7:23 am to 4cubbies
Public schools, particularly EBR, often face criticism, but it's worth noting that Baton Rouge Magnet High stands out as one of the best schools in the state, whether public, private, or charter. This suggests that the individuals overseeing education aren't necessarily incompetent.
The challenge lies in students' home environments, something that's difficult to change. In Baton Rouge, there's a pattern of segregation, whether it's financial, geographical, or even based on academic performance. The ongoing efforts in places like St. George further this divide. As a result, students lacking a strong educational focus at home may struggle academically. They lack the peer pressure to excel and don't witness success among their peers or their peers' parents.
Rather than dismantling public schools, a more effective approach might involve rethinking them, they worked very well historically, we just screwed them up recently.
The challenge lies in students' home environments, something that's difficult to change. In Baton Rouge, there's a pattern of segregation, whether it's financial, geographical, or even based on academic performance. The ongoing efforts in places like St. George further this divide. As a result, students lacking a strong educational focus at home may struggle academically. They lack the peer pressure to excel and don't witness success among their peers or their peers' parents.
Rather than dismantling public schools, a more effective approach might involve rethinking them, they worked very well historically, we just screwed them up recently.
This post was edited on 10/22/23 at 7:25 am
Posted on 10/22/23 at 7:33 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Kids that don't value school need to be out of the classroom
Agreed, but where do they go?
Posted on 10/22/23 at 7:47 am to 4cubbies
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when’s the last time you used the fire department? Called the police? Do you hope to get refunds for those services as well?
I love when commies bring up the fire department.
I can feel it in my plums :royflmao:
Posted on 10/22/23 at 7:48 am to Jake88
quote:The handout is a fact of life. "Free public education!"
Many on this board lament handouts
That's the handout.
Except Public Education is not free.
It costs a set amount per student.
So that set amount is actually the handout.
Our primary/secondary nonchoice school systems are among the most expensive and least productive on the planet. Why?
Because there is limited (or no) accountability. Money following the student would change that.
Put another way, I can afford to send my kids to Phillips Andover. Scott Smith, father of the 14y/o who was raped and sodomized on her high school's bathroom floor, cannot afford such things. Neither can families of most of the kids attending the 13 failing Baltimore high schools. They are not getting a "handout," they are getting a sentence.
Posted on 10/22/23 at 7:49 am to NC_Tigah
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my use for, or need for, or benefit from them is identical to my neighbors' therefore my cost is as well.
Everyone in society benefits from an educated populace.
quote:people aren’t billed the same amount to pay for public education. In most places, educational funding is tied to property taxes which vary by property.
However, if I have well-water and solar-panels, should I have to pay for water and electricity at my neighbor's rate.
quote:well that’s not exactly how the funding works. Schools get paid per pupil at different points in the school year (I think the counts are on Oct 1 and Feb 1).
If it costs $8K/student, and I remove one student and her funding, the school remains on par.
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