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Posted on 10/22/23 at 7:53 am to 4cubbies
quote:
They’re against handouts for other people.
You stereotype a lot for someone who pretends to hate it.
I want no welfare. If capable humans cant succeed, they don't need to be here.
Posted on 10/22/23 at 7:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:and you consider public school to be welfare? I assume you sent your kids to private school.
I want no welfare.
quote:What does this mean?
If capable humans cant succeed, they don't need to be here.
Posted on 10/22/23 at 7:56 am to cssamerican
quote:If school choice means "dismantling public schools," then public schools are so rotten they need dismantling. In fact though, we have potentially excellent teachers, interested in providing potentially excellent classwork, and we have others who fall FAR short of those goals.
dismantling public schools
With monetized school choice, the cream would rise.
Posted on 10/22/23 at 7:56 am to 4cubbies
quote:
Everyone in society benefits from an educated populace.
Koombayah. My Lord. Koombayah.
quote:
people aren’t billed the same amount to pay for public education.
There is no bill.
quote:
In most places, educational funding is tied to property taxes which vary by property.
And those of us paying higher property taxes; don't need a voucher.
quote:
well that’s not exactly how the funding works. Schools get paid per pupil at different points in the school year (I think the counts are on Oct 1 and Feb 1).
I think I'll just start filing extensions every year.
Posted on 10/22/23 at 7:57 am to 4cubbies
quote:
and you consider public school to be welfare?
No, its a service.
Its a failed service that needs competition.
Why do we spend more than almost any developed nation in the world for such horrible results.
Do you not want better?
Posted on 10/22/23 at 8:00 am to NC_Tigah
quote:the evidence doesn’t support this.
With monetized school choice, the cream would rise.
Posted on 10/22/23 at 8:01 am to RogerTheShrubber
The kid don't give a shite. The parents don't give a shite. The teacher has no one to be accountable to. How far up this ratchety arse ladder do you think you need to go to find someone that actually truly gives two shits about the OP's topic.
Let's be real here...
Let's be real here...
This post was edited on 10/22/23 at 8:02 am
Posted on 10/22/23 at 8:02 am to NC_Tigah
quote:Parents. Schools can't fix that.
Our primary/secondary nonchoice school systems are among the most expensive and least productive on the planet. Why?
quote:Who is at fault? The parents of those kids, especially the ones who raised their kids in a manner that they have become a disruption.
Neither can families of most of the kids attending the 13 failing Baltimore high schools. They are not getting a "handout," they are getting a sentence
Posted on 10/22/23 at 8:03 am to Jake88
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Parents. Schools can't fix that
C'mon man. Everyone has seen that movie of Hillary Swank going in and making kids love school. Same with that Hispanic guy.
Those are the movies that inspired Chubbies to become a teacher in the first place.
This post was edited on 10/22/23 at 8:04 am
Posted on 10/22/23 at 8:04 am to 4cubbies
quote:I'm against handouts for all except for the truly disabled. But, disability, even with the automatic initial refusal, is too easy to obtain.
They’re against handouts for other people
Posted on 10/22/23 at 8:04 am to 4cubbies
quote:Then why stand in the way?
Everyone in society benefits from an educated populace.
quote:Of course people aren't billed the same way. Some people pay far more in taxes. That was not what was being addressed. Now do costs per student, which is in fact the point.
people aren’t billed the same amount to pay for public education. In most places, educational funding is tied to property taxes which vary by property.
quote:and? If the cost is $9K/student/9-month school yr, the give $1000/m, or $3K/Q, or $9K/yr. Macht nichts.
well that’s not exactly how the funding works.
This post was edited on 10/22/23 at 8:05 am
Posted on 10/22/23 at 8:07 am to 4cubbies
quote:
Everyone in society benefits from an educated populace.
Then weve failed.
Did you know the average American has a 7th grade mastery of reading?
Why do you continue to support expensive failures?
Posted on 10/22/23 at 8:08 am to Cajun Tiger 4
quote:You really think people who are already paying for private school will qualify? This would end up being another form of welfare.
I hate that I fund the FAILING public schools and pay private school tuition. Give me my money! Lets Geaux Landry. Make it happen.
Go read about what Texas proposed.
Posted on 10/22/23 at 8:09 am to 4cubbies
quote:
With monetized school choice, the cream would rise.
the evidence doesn’t support this.
8/10 kids will not benefit.
They would have failed at the other school as well.
The two that benefit will be pissed at your desire to limit their education.
Posted on 10/22/23 at 8:20 am to Jake88
quote:At 13 Baltimore City high schools, zero students tested proficient on 2023 state math exam. ZERO!
Who is at fault? The parents of those kids, especially the ones who raised their kids in a manner that they have become a disruption.
So your contention is 100% of kids in attendance there were raised to "become a disruption" and the school environment is not a substantial contributor to the ZERO exam pass-rate?
You're saying that if the top 10% of those Baltimore kids got to attend St Paul's in Covington for four years, instead of the ratholes they are stuck in, they'd still fail math proficiency exams?
Posted on 10/22/23 at 8:24 am to 4cubbies
School choice in Orleans Parish was remarkably successful.
In 2001 Orleans was the worst rated school system in the state. Now it is middle of the pack even though more "at risk" children live in the Parish than in any other Parish.
We need statewide vouchers or tax credits and if Parishes still want to operate government schools they will get their funding from the families that send their kids there.
In 2001 Orleans was the worst rated school system in the state. Now it is middle of the pack even though more "at risk" children live in the Parish than in any other Parish.
We need statewide vouchers or tax credits and if Parishes still want to operate government schools they will get their funding from the families that send their kids there.
This post was edited on 10/22/23 at 8:50 am
Posted on 10/22/23 at 8:44 am to I B Freeman
quote:
School choice in Orleans Parish was remarkably successful.
Orleans Parish was in a remarkably unique and favorable situation for a charter model in 2005. OPSB was so corrupt that the FBI set up a field office at OPSB Central Office. There was nowhere to go but up.
quote:did you not see the OP? Statewide vouchers have decreased test scores and cost the State $10 million more each year. Why would you want more of that?
We need statewide vouchers
This post was edited on 10/22/23 at 8:45 am
Posted on 10/22/23 at 8:46 am to Errerrerrwere
quote:you obviously have no idea how schools work.
The teacher has no one to be accountable to.
Posted on 10/22/23 at 8:48 am to Jake88
quote:it’s not like disability is lucrative. SSI pays what? Like $850/month?
But, disability, even with the automatic initial refusal, is too easy to obtain.
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