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Posted on 10/22/26 at 8:51 am to
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 10/22/26 at 8:51 am to
Two further good sources on the Starlink / StarShield discussion:



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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 10/22/26 at 8:53 am to
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 10/22/26 at 9:04 am to
NEW: Rosneft deep dive by Bloomberg News

+ Officials at Russia’s largest oil producer are concerned that even a few more months of the war with Ukraine could leave lasting damage across the business.

+ One of Rosneft’s biggest refineries, Ryazan, has been shut for more than half the time since it was first hit by Ukraine in May and has run well below full capacity when operating, according to damage assessments seen by Bloomberg.

+ Another, Syzran, has spent much of the past six months either completely shut or operating at less than a third of capacity, according to data reviewed by Bloomberg. The Tuapse refinery has been offline since April.

+ Ukraine is conducting repeat strikes on the refineries as soon as repairs are completed or nearing completion. The need to repeatedly repair damaged equipment is straining operations and causing costs to pile up to levels that Rosneft officials have privately warned cannot be sustained long-term.

+ Some plants have deliberately slowed repairs as a result, stretching work that should take days into weeks, according to people familiar with the matter.

+ Efforts to protect the facilities with shipping containers, nets and steel cables have proved ineffective against swarms of drones, company plans show.

+ The damage is particularly difficult to repair when strikes hit complex secondary units, whose parts would previously have been sourced from the West. It means relying on Russian-made copies and Chinese imports that can take months to obtain and are not always compatible with existing machinery.

+ It’s put Rosneft into financial trouble. Even before the ramping up of Ukraine’s drone campaign, the company saw a “perfect storm” for its finances. Since then, its profits are down and debt is rising despite what should have been a big windfall from the Iran war.

+ Moscow Credit Bank, which is linked to Rosneft, is showing signs of distress with $8 billion of problem loans. It highlights how both Russia’s energy and banking sectors are coming under strain at the same time, a dynamic causing concern to Russian finance officials.

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Posted by MrLSU
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Posted on 10/22/26 at 11:24 am to
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 10/22/26 at 11:52 am to
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Trump might stop supplying funds and weapons


Waaay too late. Try harder.
Posted by Leopold
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Posted on 10/22/26 at 11:59 am to
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Russian forces struck Kyiv with an Iskander ballistic missile on the night of 21-22 October. The missile was carrying a K5 cluster warhead, which is used to inflict maximum damage.


Relax, just another humanitarian mission.


Posted by Leopold
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Posted on 10/22/26 at 12:02 pm to
All I see from the David Nelson and PoliSciChick posts is that "it's ours and we'll turn it off when we want to."

That doesn't change anything for me concerning how it's a tool to manipulate and punish Ukraine when they want to.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 10/22/26 at 12:25 pm to
It does highlight how ungrateful some people are for the contributions Musk has made.

It also says the contract had the speed limits in it...they can't complain then when that contract is enforced.
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 10/22/26 at 12:28 pm to
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That doesn't change anything for me concerning how it's a tool to manipulate and punish Ukraine when they want to.


Are we on their side or not?
Are we going to turn off a system that is key to their defense?

1, Trump isn’t. 2, it appears Musk did. The question is did Trump tell him to.
Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 10/22/26 at 12:50 pm to
Even for a Seattle based PhD, some of her ideas are severely retarded and doesn't consider obvious things, especially her writings about trade. Economics is definitely not her strong suit.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
5860 posts
Posted on 10/22/26 at 12:59 pm to
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It also says the contract had the speed limits in it...they can't complain then when that contract is enforced.


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As of October 21, Starlink's Terms of Service do not impose a blanket prohibition on military use, although its incorporated Acceptable Use Policy restricts military activities and drone operations without appropriate authorization. Given Ukraine's extensive and publicly acknowledged military use of Starlink over several years, it stretches credulity to suggest that SpaceX was unaware of or had not acquiesced to at least some military applications.


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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 10/22/26 at 1:01 pm to
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Even for a Seattle based PhD, some of her ideas are severely retarded and doesn't consider obvious things, especially her writings about trade. Economics is definitely not her strong suit.
Would you like to give us any specifics?
Posted by Leopold
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Posted on 10/22/26 at 1:39 pm to
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It does highlight how ungrateful some people are for the contributions Musk has made.


The HELL it does. Russia is attempting to wipe an entire country off the map - there is no middle ground here. Legal semantics in this scenario is self-serving at best, and an open partner at worst.

And speaking of legal semantics:

quote:

It also says the contract had the speed limits in it...they can't complain then when that contract is enforced.


Does it include force majeure anywhere in the contract? Because if it does, and I'm guessin it does, that would ABSOLUTELY cover it.

Elon needs to pull his head out of arse and get on the winning team. This is not just BS, it's open cowardice and stupid on his part.
Posted by bigjoe1
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Posted on 10/22/26 at 1:42 pm to
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+ Ukraine is conducting repeat strikes on the refineries as soon as repairs are completed or nearing completion


A page from the 15th AF playbook in WW2. They hit the refinery at Ploesti numerous times. They never totally knocked the complex out but, they severely curtailed production at a time when the Germans were starved for oil.
Posted by Leopold
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Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 10/22/26 at 1:47 pm to
quote:

Are we on their side or not?
Are we going to turn off a system that is key to their defense?

1, Trump isn’t.


I'm assuming you are stating that Trump isn't on the Ukraine's side - Trump has already turned off multiple systems that were key to their defense. That, and we cut of their information and even slowed their weapon flow for weapons they paid for in obvious attempt to help the Russians.

quote:

2, it appears Musk did. The question is did Trump tell him to.


There should be no discussion here.

There should be NO thought as to whose side anybody's on, but AGAIN, we are prentending that there is a middle ground here - there is NOT.

If either side of that equation even suggested that they turn anything off the other side should be reading them the riot act.

Goddamn I'm sick of this shite administration.
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 10/22/26 at 2:26 pm to
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 10/22/26 at 2:31 pm to
blood on both their hands...

NEW: Trump called Musk and asked him to lift restrictions on a military-grade version of Starlink in Ukraine that the SpaceX chief had throttled, U.S. officials said.

The system was working more normally Thursday, shortly after their conversation, per Us and Ukrainian officials
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This post was edited on 10/22/26 at 2:34 pm
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 10/22/26 at 2:51 pm to
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Would you like to give us any specifics?


She doesn't understand how China HEAVILY subsidizes certain industries to undercut pricing elsewhere. Take rare earth minerals, it's not the pollutants, its they subsidize it 2X cost. Rare Earth minerals were being mined and extracted on the edge of the Texas Hill Country 20 years ago by a low cost small company. It couldn't compete with pricing.

Frost is another far leftist 'tard
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 10/22/26 at 2:52 pm to
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16851 posts
Posted on 10/22/26 at 2:54 pm to
quote:

A page from the 15th AF playbook in WW2. They hit the refinery at Ploesti numerous times. They never totally knocked the complex out but, they severely curtailed production at a time when the Germans were starved for oil.


Every single German offensive thrust, in WWII, stopped at the same time it ran out of fuel. Thousands of horses died in Russia, they were used to haul supplies to the front for the Germans. They didn't have US made trucks like the Russians were given.
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