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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

Posted on 10/15/26 at 12:59 pm to
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 10/15/26 at 12:59 pm to
Parked together with no air defense?

This was the first Ukrainian missile attack on a Russian airbase since 2022. A naval Neptune missile no less. Let's hope the back story comes out soon.

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Before-and-after satellite imagery of Borisoglebsk, comparing October 13 with today, shows what the Neptune strike left behind.

The Ukrainian account now puts the toll at four Su-34s destroyed and two damaged, down from the six destroyed first claimed.

The earlier post covered the huge fire at the airfield in Voronezh Oblast after residents reported a missile attack. The strike came overnight. The Ukrainian Navy named the target.

How one salvo could reach six bombers is simple. Russia parked six of its most expensive aircraft together on one small stretch of the apron. The loss is put at $250M-$300M. Stationed 400 km behind the line, with no air defense between them and a coastal missile, these are quarter-billion-dollar glide-bomb carriers.

Every Su-34 on that apron was a bomb truck. They were aimed at Kharkiv, Zaporizhzhia, and Dnipro. Four are gone. Two are damaged. The air defense around Borisoglebsk saw nothing it could stop.

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Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 10/15/26 at 1:04 pm to
Hey, everybody, it's Texas Ag!!!

How's that hangover treating you, Ag? I would recommend the old remedy, the Hair of the Dog, but if you show up drunk to class your middle school teacher might take offense at it. You might be legal to drink, but just because you can drive drunk to your 8th grade class doesn't mean you should.

Well, to answer your question, my current Vice President, the Honorable JD Vance, has stated that we don't give the Ukrainians ANY support any more, so I suppose any 'aid' that has gone to them is really just political maneuverings. Again, maybe i'm wrong, but who am I to argue with the #2 man in the administration?
Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
2412 posts
Posted on 10/15/26 at 2:00 pm to
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Ukraine doesn't have a space program or satellite launch capability. That should be obvious.


They can build one if they need one so bad. I'm sure Europe will pay.


Longterm, this is probably going to happen.

Ukraine was the home to the Soviet Union's space program, much like Houston was to the Americans, and when this war is over, and the Ukrainians have been fully integrated into the EU, whenever that happens, I can see the Europeans wanting their own space program and turning to the Ukrainians to build, run, and house it.
Posted by NPComb
Member since Jan 2019
29184 posts
Posted on 10/15/26 at 2:34 pm to
How are you warmongers doing? Getting your money's worth, yet? How many more billions do we need to give to the Z man?
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
6228 posts
Posted on 10/15/26 at 2:39 pm to
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So when he approved weapons packages for Ukraine and sent money he was actually backing Putin?


Non trolling question - has Trump actually approved new aide for Ukraine or just administered aide previously appropriated by Congress/biden.

Because the latter is just performing basic job duties. The former is actually helping Ukraine.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
43348 posts
Posted on 10/15/26 at 2:43 pm to
[quote]So when he approved weapons packages for Ukraine and sent money he was actually backing Putin? [/quote

Since 2024 there had been no significant aid passed for Ukraine.

The vast majority of aid sent was authorized during the Biden administration.

We can all argue as to whether we should or should not have sent aid to Ukraine, but you can’t say Trump did very much to help them with direct aid.
Posted by bigjoe1
Member since Jan 2024
2140 posts
Posted on 10/15/26 at 2:45 pm to
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It took Ukraine just hours to turn President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s “we’re done” into a refinery fire.

Ukrainian drones struck Russia’s Ryazan refinery on Thursday, ending Kyiv’s brief pause in attacks on Russian energy infrastructure after Zelenskyy said Moscow had ignored the ceasefire promoted by U.S. President Donald Trump.

The Rosneft-owned refinery sits about 300 kilometers southeast of Moscow and accounts for nearly 5% of Russia’s refinery throughput. Ryazan Governor Pavel Malkov confirmed a fire at the facility following what he described as a major Ukrainian drone attack. The extent of the damage is still being assessed.

Ukraine had suspended refinery attacks for three days following Trump’s Sunday announcement that Russia and Ukraine had agreed to stop hitting energy infrastructure.

But more than 500 Russian drones were launched overnight into Thursday, according to Ukrainian authorities. State-owned Naftogaz said a gas production facility in the Poltava region was damaged and operations there were suspended.

Zelenskyy told the Financial Times Thursday that the restriction on refinery attacks was finished.

“The block is out. We’re done,” he said.

For the diesel market, the end to the ceasefire is painful.

Trump has pressured Kyiv to stop attacking Russian refineries as global diesel supplies tighten and U.S. diesel prices remain above $6 per gallon. Russian refining has already been repeatedly disrupted by Ukrainian drone attacks, reducing fuel production and exports.

Ryazan has been hit before, making Thursday’s strike another potential setback for a refining system that has spent much of 2026 repairing damaged units while trying to maintain fuel supply.

The attack turns an announcement made early Thursday into an actual change on the ground. Hours after Zelenskyy said refinery strikes would resume, one of Russia’s largest refining centers was burning again.

By Julianne Geiger for Oilprice.com
Ukraine LINKOilprice.com strikes major Russian oil refinery
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8828 posts
Posted on 10/15/26 at 2:49 pm to
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Longterm, this is probably going to happen.

Ukraine was the home to the Soviet Union's space program, much like Houston was to the Americans, and when this war is over, and the Ukrainians have been fully integrated into the EU, whenever that happens, I can see the Europeans wanting their own space program and turning to the Ukrainians to build, run, and house it.


Uh huh
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
43348 posts
Posted on 10/15/26 at 2:54 pm to
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Uh huh


This is where the Germans missed the boat.

If it weren’t for the Nazis, Germany would have dominated the space race.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
78213 posts
Posted on 10/15/26 at 4:51 pm to
Well one consequence is that the Euros realize they need to defend themselves and help the Ukes more. All DJT on this one.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
38565 posts
Posted on 10/15/26 at 5:08 pm to
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How are you warmongers doing? Getting your money's worth, yet?


Thanks for asking! Ukraine regained significant territory last two months through operation Vivaldi as even pro-Russian posters like TigerNate have graciously conceded.

How is the latest middle eastern misadventure that you are undoubtedly supporting going ? How many more billions does Netanyahu need ?
This post was edited on 10/15/26 at 5:12 pm
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
28044 posts
Posted on 10/15/26 at 5:53 pm to
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We can all argue as to whether we should or should not have sent aid to Ukraine, but you can’t say Trump did very much to help them with direct aid.



Siding with a delusional Peter the Great wannabe like Putin who is invading Ukraine in any way, shape or form is an unfathomable to me.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16809 posts
Posted on 10/15/26 at 7:41 pm to
It's about Europe no longer being subsidized by the US. Nothing more, nothing less.
Posted by mwade91383
Washington DC
Member since Mar 2010
8202 posts
Posted on 10/15/26 at 7:50 pm to
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
4038 posts
Posted on 10/15/26 at 8:18 pm to
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wtf are we doing?!??



Exactly what we would do if China invaded Taiwan or North Korea invaded South Korea... and he's telegraphed that...

He likes Putin and wants him to prevail. He likes Kim and would want him to prevail. He likes Xi and would want him to prevail.

He wants to join their ranks.
This post was edited on 10/15/26 at 8:20 pm
Posted by mwade91383
Washington DC
Member since Mar 2010
8202 posts
Posted on 10/15/26 at 8:24 pm to
Just awful.

This is exactly why people call Trump a Putin puppet.

Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
6063 posts
Posted on 10/15/26 at 11:57 pm to
NYT: Russia intends to cut off Kyiv, Kharkiv and Odesa from power, water and heating in one month

Alona Mazurenko — 15 October, 21:26

Russia has prepared a plan according to which it aims to disable Ukraine's energy system in one month, cutting off Kyiv, Kharkiv and Odesa from power, water and heating.

Source: The New York Times

Details: Reports indicate that journalists have gained access to an intercepted Russian attack plan, which Kyiv shared with European officials last month.

Based on the plan's estimates, Russia would require approximately 70 ballistic missiles, 720 long-range UAVs and 150 guided bombs to deprive the cities of Kyiv, Kharkiv and Odesa of water, electricity and heating.

This is roughly the number of ballistic missiles and drones that manage to bypass Ukrainian air defences on a monthly basis, according to an analysis of Ukrainian Air Force data.

Essentially, this implies that Moscow believes one month of strikes can achieve what four winters of attacks have failed to do – destroy Ukraine's energy grid.

Russia's confidence is largely driven by Ukraine's lack of air defence systems, primarily Patriot interceptors.

Alyona Hetmanchuk, Ukraine's ambassador to NATO, stated that her current list of requests to partners includes air-to-air missiles for fighter jets to shoot down jet-powered drones, as well as medium-range anti-aircraft missile systems, which have also proven effective.

It is noted that Ukraine has repeatedly called for a limited ceasefire focusing on energy facilities or port infrastructure, arguing that this would be in the interests of both sides, but Russia has refused.

If Russia's attack plan is successful, Kyiv, Kharkiv and Odesa would lose 90% of their electrical capacity, have their heating supplies fall by 90%, and suffer severe disruptions to their water and sewage systems.

Background:

The UK is sending Ukraine additional long-range Storm Shadow missiles to enable it to disrupt Russian military operations targeting its civilian infrastructure ahead of winter.
Ukraine has run out of interceptor missiles for US-made Patriot air defence systems, leaving the country more vulnerable to Russian ballistic missile attacks.

Ukrainska Pravda
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
5787 posts
Posted on 10/16/26 at 2:59 am to
These drone airfields need to be under continual attack. This is the vulnerability point.

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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
5787 posts
Posted on 10/16/26 at 3:06 am to
Not saying much with the current occupant, but Macron and the French now have more fortitude than the White House. Far more.

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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 10/16/26 at 3:08 am to
How the worm turns... or should we say 'snake'.

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