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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 9:41 am to LSURussian
Posted on 7/14/25 at 9:41 am to LSURussian
Trump May Approve JASSM Cruise Missiles for Ukraine to Boost F-16 Strike Power
https://united24media.com/latest-news/trump-may-approve-jassm-cruise-missiles-for-ukraine-to-boost-f-16-strike-power-9879
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Posted on 7/14/25 at 9:57 am to doubleb
I was talking more about the proxy point in general. The missiles are just a continuation of that
Posted on 7/14/25 at 9:58 am to LSURussian
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Russia doesn't need the west's help doing that.
They haven't had a good reputation long before that.
"Global standing" in the sense I am referring to would have been better worded as "Global Pecking Order". The west has certainly helped them fall down that since 2022.
This post was edited on 7/14/25 at 9:59 am
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:01 am to VolSquatch
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The west has certainly helped them fall down that since 2022.
Do they need the West’s help?
First Ukraine and their failed attacks, then Syria and finally Iran.
Russia isn’t measuring up.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:19 am to doubleb
quote:
Do they need the West’s help?
What does Ukraine look like today without the West's involvement?
It probably has Russian flags flying all over it. So yes, they do need our help.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:24 am to VolSquatch
quote:The only reason Russia is even on the 'pecking order' is because, as someone else described the Rodina, "Russia is nothing but a gas station with nuclear weapons."
"Global standing" in the sense I am referring to would have been better worded as "Global Pecking Order".
EDIT: Russia's currency is worthless, its sovereign credit rating is several notches below a junk rating, the only thing it manufactures for export is weapons and nobody really trusts anything its leaders say.
Putin even fabricates history.
As one of my Russian work colleagues said to me, "Russian history is unpredictable."
This post was edited on 7/14/25 at 10:34 am
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:26 am to VolSquatch
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What does Ukraine look like today without the West's involvement?
With absolutely no Western help then Ukraine is probably toast.
But remember with minimal Western aid Ukraine stopped Russia’s invasion and devestated the Russians attacking Kiev.
As Western aid ratcheted up Russia has done worse and worse. That is true.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:35 am to doubleb
Russia's "Global Standing..."
Well, people are well aware of the fact that Putin is a murderous dictator... it used to be only far left wing nuts like Oliver Stone and... however you'd describe Steven Segal overlooked that and thought him to be somehow virtuous. 30 years of internet psy ops have apparently paid off on the fringes of both US ideological wings.
Europeans didn't like Putin or Russia, but thought they were mostly defanged. Now, they think they're dangerous.
Africans and Arabs think highly of Putin depending on how much they hate the US.
"Global Standing" isn't the right term.
"Sphere of Influence" is probably what you meant to describe. Yeah, that's been eroded, and we can't say the US had no part in it when everybody within 2 hours of DC will be trying to take some of the credit for it in their memoirs in a year or two.
Well, people are well aware of the fact that Putin is a murderous dictator... it used to be only far left wing nuts like Oliver Stone and... however you'd describe Steven Segal overlooked that and thought him to be somehow virtuous. 30 years of internet psy ops have apparently paid off on the fringes of both US ideological wings.
Europeans didn't like Putin or Russia, but thought they were mostly defanged. Now, they think they're dangerous.
Africans and Arabs think highly of Putin depending on how much they hate the US.
"Global Standing" isn't the right term.
"Sphere of Influence" is probably what you meant to describe. Yeah, that's been eroded, and we can't say the US had no part in it when everybody within 2 hours of DC will be trying to take some of the credit for it in their memoirs in a year or two.
This post was edited on 7/14/25 at 10:37 am
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:38 am to Lee B
Watching the Oval Office thing.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:50 am to Lee B
100% Tariffs on Russia... in 50 days.
What do we buy from Russia?
Sanctions... not Tariffs... geez...
What do we buy from Russia?
Sanctions... not Tariffs... geez...
Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:35 am to doubleb
quote:
But remember with minimal Western aid Ukraine stopped Russia’s invasion
Minimal? The West has sent over $500 Billion dollars to Ukraine and they still are losing ground daily
Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:43 am to Lee B
That major announcement was tariffs... which is.. not major.
HuffPo: Former UK Intelligence Chief Says Vladimir Putin Has 'Played Trump Like A Violin'
Sir Alex Younger said the Russian president is "going to make Trump look like a Muppet".
Sir Alex Younger, who was the head of MI6 between 2014 and 2020, said the Russian president is going to make his US counterpart “look like a Muppet” by continuing to bomb its neighbour.
But he said Putin risks “overplaying his hand” if he does not make serious efforts to end the war, as Trump has demanded.
Trump has vowed to make a “major statement” about the war in Ukraine on Monday as he plans to send more weapons to help Kyiv defend itself.
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“The evidence is (Putin) is overplaying his hand and he doesn’t have a military solution. We’re three years in, he’s lost a million men and he’s got less territory than he did in 22. Trump is his only answer and he’s playing it very dangerous here.”
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Keir Giles, senior consulting fellow of Chatham House’s Russia and Eurasia programme, told HuffPost UK: “Every time Trump expresses frustration with Putin, there is a surge of optimism across Western media that he may finally have had enough of being laughed at by the Kremlin, and consequently his consistent policy of doing nothing that might offend Russia might change."
HuffPo: Former UK Intelligence Chief Says Vladimir Putin Has 'Played Trump Like A Violin'
Sir Alex Younger said the Russian president is "going to make Trump look like a Muppet".
Sir Alex Younger, who was the head of MI6 between 2014 and 2020, said the Russian president is going to make his US counterpart “look like a Muppet” by continuing to bomb its neighbour.
But he said Putin risks “overplaying his hand” if he does not make serious efforts to end the war, as Trump has demanded.
Trump has vowed to make a “major statement” about the war in Ukraine on Monday as he plans to send more weapons to help Kyiv defend itself.
...
“The evidence is (Putin) is overplaying his hand and he doesn’t have a military solution. We’re three years in, he’s lost a million men and he’s got less territory than he did in 22. Trump is his only answer and he’s playing it very dangerous here.”
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Keir Giles, senior consulting fellow of Chatham House’s Russia and Eurasia programme, told HuffPost UK: “Every time Trump expresses frustration with Putin, there is a surge of optimism across Western media that he may finally have had enough of being laughed at by the Kremlin, and consequently his consistent policy of doing nothing that might offend Russia might change."
Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:48 am to texag7
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Minimal?
Yes, with very little aid Ukraine crushed the Russian invasion force attacking Kiev.
Only later did the West send the larger sums of aid.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:55 am to cypher
China and India and others....
Trump threatens tariffs targeting Russia without deal to end Ukraine war in 50 days
Washington — President Trump said Monday that the U.S. will impose 100% tariffs on countries that do business with Russia if there is no peace deal to end the war in Ukraine within 50 days, unveiling his plans to implement secondary sanctions as his frustration with Russian President Vladimir Putin grows.
"We're going to be doing secondary tariffs if we don't have a deal within 50 days. It's very simple," Mr. Trump said in the Oval Office, alongside NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte. "And they'll be at 100%."
"We are very unhappy, I am, with Russia," the president explained.
CBS
Trump threatens tariffs targeting Russia without deal to end Ukraine war in 50 days
Washington — President Trump said Monday that the U.S. will impose 100% tariffs on countries that do business with Russia if there is no peace deal to end the war in Ukraine within 50 days, unveiling his plans to implement secondary sanctions as his frustration with Russian President Vladimir Putin grows.
"We're going to be doing secondary tariffs if we don't have a deal within 50 days. It's very simple," Mr. Trump said in the Oval Office, alongside NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte. "And they'll be at 100%."
"We are very unhappy, I am, with Russia," the president explained.
CBS
Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:59 am to texag7
The Russian invasion was brought to a standstill prior to the West providing all those billions in aid. To be fair, the Javelin antitank missiles, MANPADS, and training provided by the US between 2014 and 2022 helped Ukrainians tremendously. What really helped in the period between February 22 and when the aid started rolling in was intelligence sharing. The US was able to feed Ukraine real-time targeting information that made a massive difference in Ukraine's ability to defend itself.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 12:12 pm to doubleb
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Yes, with very little aid Ukraine crushed the Russian invasion force attacking Kiev.
Only later did the West send the larger sums of aid.
We've been over this 5,000 times... like, once a page in every page of the original thread because it's the standard reply (and I think this poster has said it about 300 times)...
Obama needed Putin for his Iran nuclear deal, so he did not give Ukraine "lethal aid," but he gave them something much more valuable:
He sent US military advisors to help them rebuild the organization of their military... and the conclusion was "it's hopeless... typical Soviet leftover military: corrupt, lazy, institutionally stubborn in its ways... we have to start with the young recruits and rebuild it over time, and make new officers that will take over. But the Special Forces are good, they're the better and more dedicated soldiers and we can work with them and train them to be very good."
He also sent the CIA to help restructure the two Ukrainian intelligence agencies. Their conclusion: "The SBU, the internal intelligence bureau, is... typical Soviet leftover agency... corrupt, lazy, institutionally stubborn, and will take a while to get into shape. BUT the GUR, the external intelligence service, is much better... the more dedicated and patriotic people, since it is inherently much more dangerous work. We can immediately work with them and make them even better."
Those surprise defensive actions in the first hours and weeks of the invasion were the work of the Special Forces, working with the GUR.
There was an article I'll try to find that discussed how the CIA turned the GUR into "Ukraine's Mossad (and that was meant as a compliment, because regardless of what you think of Israel, Mossad are very effective and are bad-asses)," and how now the CIA is a bit pissed because they have no control over them, anymore... they made them too good, and they've gone further in fighting Russia than the CIA is comfortable with...
Posted on 7/14/25 at 12:13 pm to Chromdome35
I never thought that Putin would have a cake walk into Kiev. Looking at the size of Ukraine's military, reserves, police and border guards wasn't going to be 2 week adventure for Russia. Beyond Western aid, Ukraine had a good number of former Soviet conventional arms and even in 2022 they had innovated. After all, they had been fighting Russia since 2014.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 12:22 pm to Auburn1968
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I never thought that Putin would have a cake walk into Kiev. Looking at the size of Ukraine's military, reserves, police and border guards wasn't going to be 2 week adventure for Russia. Beyond Western aid, Ukraine had a good number of former Soviet conventional arms and even in 2022 they had innovated. After all, they had been fighting Russia since 2014.
Putin had been assured by his intelligence community and military that the "mere comedian" Zelensky would shite his pants at the sight of that huge Russian military crossing his borders, heading towards him, and he and his cabinet would hop on a jet and flee or go into hiding (that's what usually happens, right?)... meanwhile, he was assured that the public would rejoice at that and welcome their "liberation" and support whoever he put in charge of the country. He had spent millions of dollars funding psy ops in Ukraine to "re-Russify" the minds of the country... and he'd been told they had been successful.
He also had no idea his military was so laughable and corrupt.
And so bodies started raining out of windows in Moscow.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 12:27 pm to Auburn1968
and as someone pointed out, in just 3 years people seem to have forgotten the sight of little old Ukrainian ladies throwing Molotov cocktails at tanks... and of farmers with rifles shooting at confused young Russian troops who thought they were going to do a "joint training exercise" with the Ukrainian military...
Posted on 7/14/25 at 2:00 pm to Lee B
I had a sense of Deja Vu with the tariffs thing... I guess this is why
Newsweek March 31, 2025: Donald Trump Threatens Secondary Tariffs on Russia - What Are They?
President Donald Trump has vowed to impose secondary tariffs on nations that purchase oil from Russia if Moscow fails to agree to a ceasefire in Ukraine.
The proposed tariffs, which range from 25 to 50 percent, would therefore not directly target Russia but would penalize foreign countries that continue trading with it, thereby discouraging global support for the Russian oil industry.
He's upped the amount to 100%, I guess... but did this work back in March?
Newsweek March 31, 2025: Donald Trump Threatens Secondary Tariffs on Russia - What Are They?
President Donald Trump has vowed to impose secondary tariffs on nations that purchase oil from Russia if Moscow fails to agree to a ceasefire in Ukraine.
The proposed tariffs, which range from 25 to 50 percent, would therefore not directly target Russia but would penalize foreign countries that continue trading with it, thereby discouraging global support for the Russian oil industry.
He's upped the amount to 100%, I guess... but did this work back in March?
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