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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

Posted on 11/24/25 at 2:27 pm to
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 11/24/25 at 2:27 pm to
Can Tucker “prove” any of that?
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 11/24/25 at 3:04 pm to
“They’re ripping us off.” China almost doubles prices for goods for the Russian military-industrial complex during the war

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Russia now critically (if not to say catastrophically) depends on China in both exports and imports. Chinese sellers without hesitation profit from the supply of Russia extremely necessary products, including military purposes.

Prices for goods sent from China, subject to export control (which are largely dual-use products that can be used in the production of weapons), from 2021 to 2024 increased by an average of 87%, according to a study by the Institute of Emerging Economies of the Bank of Finland (BOFIT). And when delivering to other countries - only 9%.

Although the West would like to see the Russian military-industrial complex completely “cut off” from suppliers, the fact that Chinese companies are “ripping it” is also “a pretty good result,” a senior Western official, who is responsible for sanctions, told the Financial Times. “If you raise the price of a product by 80%, you almost halve what they can really buy,” he said.

This state of affairs is also recognized by a source close to the Russian government. Despite all the talk of friendship, both China and India are primarily acting in its own interests, and Moscow has no real allies, he complained:

"China is not acting as an ally. Sometimes he fails us and stops payments, sometimes he takes advantage of the situation, sometimes it is a real robbery, there is nothing allied."
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The trade turnover between China and Russia amounted to a record $254 billion in 2024, against $146.9 billion in 2021. But this is largely due to the increase in prices, not volumes, follows from the BOFIT study, the authors of which analyzed the trade in “machines and mechanical devices” (the number of goods necessary for the military-industrial complex fall into this category). For example, imports of Chinese ball bearings to Russia increased by 76% in dollar terms over this period, and in physical terms fell by 13%.


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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 11/24/25 at 3:07 pm to
It's just amazing how retirement can change a person's outlook -


Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 11/24/25 at 3:11 pm to
Hammer meet nail.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 11/24/25 at 3:25 pm to
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You can see this by the aid that was given, which wasn't nearly enough and consisted mostly of the military equivalent of a Salvation Army donation - old tanks, old guns, old confiscated Soviet era equipment. Money that was called 'aid' was just replenishing the old stuff we gave to the Ukrainians


Our current military budget is 874 billion dollars. WHICH INCLUDES replacing obsolete equipment. So if we did just sent obsolete equipment to Ukraine. WTF happened to the 200 billion we "spent" on weapons for them?????????

You do realize we are still delivering weapons, you know why....because they have not been made yet so HTF can they be obsolete????
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 11/24/25 at 3:27 pm to
In case you missed it, she was trying to prevent "bank fraud in Russia". A novel approach. I suppose we don't have to ask if any like... actual arrests were made...




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Posted by VolSquatch
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Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 11/24/25 at 3:42 pm to
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You can see this by the aid that was given, which wasn't nearly enough and consisted mostly of the military equivalent of a Salvation Army donation - old tanks, old guns, old confiscated Soviet era equipment. Money that was called 'aid' was just replenishing the old stuff we gave to the Ukrainians.




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The strategy was never to win


We never believed Ukraine could win because in all likelihood they probably couldn't, assuming "win" means defeat Russia on the battlefield to a point where the war is over and not some other definition certain posters want to come up with on the spot.

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or to even end the war, which is absolutely what I propose they do.


Well yeah, Boris at least helped to sabotage any chance of that in 2022.

I also want this option, I just have a different set of assumptions about the situation than most of you so my solution isn't as "friendly" to Ukraine as yours would be.

Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 11/24/25 at 4:19 pm to
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America first should always be the policy, but it can’t be America only.

We need other nations, and we need other nations to behave themselves.


We'd have to have a discussion on protectionist policies and command economies...
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3946 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 4:22 pm to
What China is doing to Russia at this moment is what they would love to do to the rest of the world. That's their tactic... conquest through dependency.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 11/24/25 at 5:00 pm to
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Can Tucker “prove” any of that?


Can you prove he’s wrong?
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15688 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 5:00 pm to
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We never believed Ukraine could win because in all likelihood they probably couldn't, assuming "win" means defeat Russia on the battlefield to a point where the war is over and not some other definition certain posters want to come up with on the spot.


Russia was on its heels by the end of Summer of 2022. They were being defeated everywhere and still retreating. This is when arms transfers would have most benefitted Ukraine and likely kicked Russia out of everywhere except maybe Crimea. The Kharkiv gun run had not yet occurred and neither had the Kherson offensive.

The Winter/Spring of 2022/23 allowed Russia to fortify lines with extensive minefields, a few miles deep. It wasn't the dragon's teeth and trenches which topped Ukraine's Summer offensive, but the extensive minefields.
Posted by T1gerNate
Member since Feb 2020
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Posted on 11/24/25 at 5:00 pm to
Yea imagine being totally dependent on china for basic manufactured goods.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 5:07 pm to
Oh the cryng, whining and gnashing of teeth among our Ex OT Ukraine Warriors. It is a sight to behold.

Reality is setting in and they don't like it and still aren't willing to accept it.

Some of us have told them this was coming for over a year.

We heard it all. Trump has figured it out!! Russia's economy is crashing! Ukraine can still win! Europe will be able to sustain Ukraine! Those Russian assets are on the way!

They are still willing to fight to the last Ukrainian. Or should I say willing to post to the last Ukrainian.

But what do they do?

Blame Trump.

It's all Trump's fault! Trump is a Neville!! Trump is controlled by Putin!!

Taco! Taco! Taco!!

This post was edited on 11/24/25 at 5:46 pm
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 11/24/25 at 5:41 pm to
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15688 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 6:21 pm to
Too early to tell if true, but it is looking like Ukraine has retaken the middle of Pokrovsk.

I am not going to pull an AU and the opposite of Russia's cuck, Diesen
This post was edited on 11/24/25 at 6:34 pm
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3946 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 6:31 pm to
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Yea imagine being totally dependent on china for basic manufactured goods.


imagine that!?!
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15688 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 6:35 pm to
There is no way that Russia accepts this plan. Ukraine joining NATO is the deal breaker
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
13226 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 7:39 pm to
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The only one not serious about ending this war is the one who started it: Putin.

Who has said...for what? decades?...that a NATO Ukraine was not going to be allowed.

But hey...Let Europe keep saying it is possible and see how that helps end the war.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15688 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 7:58 pm to
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Who has said...for what? decades?...that a NATO Ukraine was not going to be allowed.


Joining NATO was out of the question for Ukraine which didn't want in until March of 2022. Joining the EU is what Ukrainians wanted.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 11/24/25 at 7:59 pm to
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so my solution isn't as "friendly" to Ukraine as yours would be.


So please tell us what your solution is.
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