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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

Posted on 11/24/25 at 8:23 pm to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 11/24/25 at 8:23 pm to
Russian companies have been ripping off the Chinese for decades with exports of raw materials that do not met specs in contracts.
Posted by Leopold
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Posted on 11/24/25 at 10:19 pm to
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There is nothing to botch if Putin (and Z for that matter) don't approach it with a willingness to negotiate


The hell there's not. There's a good guy in this and a bad guy and any actual notion of peace hinges on the good guys winning. Every favor done for Putin pushes any chance for peace back - every one.

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*American made* machine guns, hopefully


FIFY
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 11/24/25 at 10:22 pm to
Posted by Leopold
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Posted on 11/24/25 at 10:23 pm to
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The Pentagon thinks if Russia was outright militarily defeated by NATO, it would launch nukes in retaliation, which is their official doctrine. Just the typical sabre rattling?


The literal future of the human race could hinge on that question, and I'm not exaggerating.

The problem in question comes about should Putin pick a fight with NATO, and it's clear he's planning on it. If Russia does this, and launches an attack on NATO like he's already started doing with those BS drone attacks on Poland, then NATO has a decision to make. Do we either push Putin's forces back across the line and leave them there to keep sending drone, missles, and possibly conventional forces into civilian areas like he's doing in Ukraine, or do we start pushing towards Moscow knowing he's got his hand on the nuclear button.

I, for one, don't look forward to that political conundrum.
Posted by Leopold
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Posted on 11/24/25 at 10:55 pm to
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Our current military budget is 874 billion dollars. WHICH INCLUDES replacing obsolete equipment. So if we did just sent obsolete equipment to Ukraine. WTF happened to the 200 billion we "spent" on weapons for them???????


So, here's an independent look at where the money has gone. Notice that this was a year ago, before Trump was elected. Since Trump has taken office, he's changed the policy - we do not send any aid to Ukraine anymore, we just sell them arms, so the fact that this is a year old doesn't make it obsolete, rather I doubt we'll be sending anymore actual aid to them during his presidency:

Aid sent to the Ukraine December 2024

For starters, only about $88B of the aid was actually spent, and while they were able to get more out the door between December of last year and the time Trump took office, but not much. So let's say that about $100B of aid actually got to the Ukrainians. What Trump and his Congress did with the rest, I don't know.

Here is a list of aid the US Military has sent to the Ukraine. Granted, it's Wikipedia, so don't shoot me, but it's about the most detailed I can find and it lists is sources:

Different countries aid to the Ukriane during the War

So, this is about $66B in military aid to this point according to this article and it's safe to say that this isn't all of it. Notice that we sent them things like T72 tanks than Abrams and Mi-17V5s helicopters, which were Soviet systems. Also, things like Javelins and Stingers were distinctly cold-war era weapons, some we haven't produced in years. Christ, we're sending them Zuni missiles for god sakes - they were developed in the 1950's.
So, yeah, we took this opportunity to mass dump our old shite on to the Ukrainians and plead 'we're runnin' out of stuff!!" Old DoD trick.

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You do realize we are still delivering weapons, you know why


Yeah. We're selling them to the Ukrainians. Trump's been open about that.
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 11/24/25 at 11:32 pm to
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Joining NATO was out of the question for Ukraine which didn't want in until March of 2022

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Ukraine's first formal expression of interest in joining NATO was in May 2002

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Ukraine formally asked for a Membership Action Plan (MAP) at the NATO summit in Bucharest in April 2008.

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Ukraine re-energized its NATO ambitions, adopting a constitutional amendment in 2017 that committed it to joining the alliance and a National Security Strategy in 2021 aimed at developing its NATO partnership.

Didn't want in?
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 11/25/25 at 1:47 am to
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A new Vandenberg Coalition poll shows 72% of Trump voters support helping Ukraine and holding Russia accountable. Over half back sending intel or even Tomahawk missiles to strike inside Russia. Just 16% support Russia’s demand for more territory. Meanwhile, 83% want to uphold U.S. commitments to NATO and Ukraine.
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Russian government propaganda and, of course, narrow circles are persistently trying to prove that America will still stand by Russia on the issue of Ukraine's capitulation, although the events have developed differently, and this is additionally confirmed by the Vandenberg Coalition survey:

Only 16% of Donald Trump supporters support Russia's position on Ukraine's surrender of its territory. 46% support Ukraine's position - the return of absolutely all territories and the revival of Ukraine within internationally recognized borders.

At the same time, the views of conservative and MAGA Republicans are absolutely identical.

The majority of Republicans blame Putin for starting the war (and not Zelensky, as is customary in narrow circles where the victim is always and everywhere the culprit), and not Zelensky or Trump.

Putin - 53-57% Zelensky - 13-17% Trump - 12-22%

62% of Reps support Ukraine, while 31% are in favor of direct military aid.

76% support the imposition of sanctions against Russia, including the so-called "deadly sanctions", this figure is 84% ??in the MAGA segment.






As we don't want to trigger our TACO lovers, we won't mention his current 41% approval / 56% disapproval numbers. Historic. Winning.

Oops. Sorry.
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 2:41 am
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 11/25/25 at 1:50 am to
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Strikes hit several sites in Crimea overnight. A group of drones targeted the Brom plant in Krasnoperekopsk, damaging production halls with one of them taking heavy damage. More drones hit the Glebovskoye underground gas storage facility in Vnukovo, destroying its compressor building. Another strike reached the Simferopol oil depot, but the impact there appears limited.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 11/25/25 at 2:07 am to
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Preliminary reports suggest one of Russia’s A-60 airborne laser aircraft may have been destroyed. Only two prototypes were ever built, “1A” and the upgraded “2A”, both based on the Il-76MD and used for experimental high-power laser systems.

Taganrog is a port on the Sea of Azov.

Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 11/25/25 at 2:07 am to
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 11/25/25 at 2:12 am to
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 11/25/25 at 2:21 am to
We may be approaching the point where damage to Russian infrastructure from falling / badly aimed AA is exceeding that from Ukrainian drones and missiles. When the Novorossiysk Disco is playing, it's a good time to STF in the basement.

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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 11/25/25 at 2:24 am to
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 11/25/25 at 2:33 am to
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Oops. Sorry.

Your poll shows Trump supporters are in favor of what you want and your TDS riddled mind's response is to insult them?

Sounds about right.

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The survey was conducted from October 22 to 28, 2025, by The Vandenberg Coalition and the Republican Party-owned company TargetPoint.


Did you think this poll wouldn't say what they wanted it to say?
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 11/25/25 at 2:52 am to
Yes, the A-60 has been confirmed as destroyed.


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Ukrainian Armed Forces struck an experimental Russian A-60 aircraft — a laser weapon carrier — at the airfield in Taganrog during the night.

During the project, only two prototypes of this experimental system were built in the USSR.

For many years, the hit A-60 stood in one place on the territory of the Taganrog-Yuzhny airfield.

In addition, during today's attack, the aircraft plant hangar was hit, which is used for maintenance and modernization of Russian Tu-95MS strategic bombers to the Tu-95MSM version, which can carry more X-101 cruise missiles, with which the occupiers are shelling Ukraine.

At night, Ukrainian drones also massively attacked the Krasnodar Territory of the Russia, Novorossiysk, Sochi, and Gelendzhik were attacked.



Looks like a museum piece. Would it have been fueled up or did that burning fuel come from another location? Maybe both...
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 2:58 am
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 11/25/25 at 5:51 am to
65% of the public was against joining NATO. The constitutional changes were of the variety not voted on by the public. Ukraine's own constitution does not allow for military bases for foreign soldiers though they can enter temporarily.

I do stand corrected but there are nuances in its constitution and two ways to amend, one by legislature and another by the public.
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 6:04 am
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 11/25/25 at 6:07 am to
Now for shiits and giggles, the price of natural gas at the TTF, main trading hub in Europe..
Natural gas price as of Nov 24, 2025 $10.20
Natural gas price as of Nov 22, 2021 $27.72
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 11/25/25 at 6:32 am to
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Looks like a museum piece. Would it have been fueled up


Yeah, that plane hasn't flown since 2012, so its destruction really isn't that big of a deal. No, it would not have been fueled up.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 11/25/25 at 6:53 am to
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Now for shiits and giggles, the price of natural gas at the TTF, main trading hub in Europe.. Natural gas price as of Nov 24, 2025 $10.20 Natural gas price as of Nov 22, 2021 $27.72


And? Natural gas prices worldwide were high end of 2021 as Covid lockdowns ended and demand skyrocketed. Anyone involved in O&G knows this

Hey you tried though
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5647 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 6:59 am to
Ukraine agrees to peace proposal, with only "minor details" to settle, official says, but no word from Russia

A U.S. official told CBS News on Tuesday that Ukraine's government had "agreed to a peace deal" brokered by the Trump administration to stop Russia's nearly four-year assault. The American official and Ukraine's national security adviser Rustem Umerov said a common understanding on a proposal had been reached, with details still to be worked out.

Umerov voiced optimism that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy could travel to Washington before the end of November to finalize an agreement. CBS News was first to report on Sunday that U.S. and Ukrainian officials had previously discussed a potential visit to the U.S. this week by Zelenskyy.

"The Ukrainians have agreed to the peace deal," the U.S. official told CBS News. "There are some minor details to be sorted out but they have agreed to a peace deal."

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