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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

Posted on 11/21/25 at 9:07 am to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 9:07 am to
Everyone should realize that Trump Admin gives many head fakes and the press falls for them
Posted by CitizenK
BR
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 9:08 am to
There is almost 50 million barrels of Russian oil stranded at sea looking for buyers.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 9:12 am to
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President Zelenskyy addressed the nation. Key points from his address:

1/ Ukraine may face a very difficult choice: either loss of dignity or risk of losing a key partner, either difficult 28 points or an extremely hard winter, the hardest one, and further risks, Zelenskyy said.

2/ National Ukrainian interests must be taken into account. We will work calmly with Europe and America, he said.

I will propose alternatives, but we will definitely not give the enemy reason to say that Ukraine does not want peace, Zelenskyy said.

3/ We are steel, of course, but any metal, even the strongest, may not withstand, Zelenskyy said.

4/ We need to pull ourselves together, stop the mess, stop political games. The state must work, the parliament of a warring country must work united, the government of a warring country must work effectively, Zelenskyy said.

5/ Next week will be difficult. There will be a lot of pressure, political and informational, to divide us, Zelenskyy said.

6/ We did not betray Ukraine in February 2022 and will not do it now, Zelenskyy said. He stated he is not alone in this difficult moment, that Ukrainians believe in their state and are united, which will help achieve dignified peace in negotiations with partners.

Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 9:43 am to
quote:

President Zelenskyy addressed the nation. Key points from his address:

1/ Ukraine may face a very difficult choice: either loss of dignity or risk of losing a key partner, either difficult 28 points or an extremely hard winter, the hardest one, and further risks, Zelenskyy said.

2/ National Ukrainian interests must be taken into account. We will work calmly with Europe and America, he said.

I will propose alternatives, but we will definitely not give the enemy reason to say that Ukraine does not want peace, Zelenskyy said.

3/ We are steel, of course, but any metal, even the strongest, may not withstand, Zelenskyy said.

4/ We need to pull ourselves together, stop the mess, stop political games. The state must work, the parliament of a warring country must work united, the government of a warring country must work effectively, Zelenskyy said.

5/ Next week will be difficult. There will be a lot of pressure, political and informational, to divide us, Zelenskyy said.

6/ We did not betray Ukraine in February 2022 and will not do it now, Zelenskyy said. He stated he is not alone in this difficult moment, that Ukrainians believe in their state and are united, which will help achieve dignified peace in negotiations with partners.


Interesting tonal shift from previous addresses
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 9:54 am to
This 28 point plan is first, terrible, and second, a good example of how completely unreasonable the Russians are. Again, they demand so much beyond the ability of what they can prove on the battlefield. It makes no sense to give into demands such as limiting Ukrainian personal or where European jets can be stationed. Just complete nonsense. And point 26. Just amazing.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 10:38 am to
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This 28 point plan is first, terrible


What’s your least favorite part? Ukraine giving up land or being forced to stop Nazi propaganda?
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
21122 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 10:49 am to
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being forced to stop Nazi propaganda?

Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:22 am to
Oh there he is. let's leave your comments to that little thread where you complained about how much I hurt your feelings little dude.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15666 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:25 am to
aka Loser at Life
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:39 am to
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aka Loser at Life



Weren't you just caught inventing fake people to impress people you don't know on a message board within the past 2-3 days?
Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
2298 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:53 am to
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Interesting tonal shift from previous addresses


I agree. I'm wondering if the Ukrainians might be taking a page from the Russian playbook and stalling for time here.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 12:33 pm to
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20967 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 2:25 pm to
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Supreme General Kellogg is out of the administration

Bye bye


From the very beginning, Kellogg planned to leave in January. If he were to remain in the position longer, he would need to go through the Senate confirmation process, and he said from the beginning that he wouldn't do that.

So, I know that you thought that you were dropping some kind of news or that this was some kind of victory for Russia or something, but no. This was always the plan.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5645 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 4:25 pm to
Zelenskyy's complete address...

“There comes a moment in the life of every nation when everyone needs to talk things through. Honestly. Calmly. Without speculation, rumors, gossip, without anything extra. Just as things are. Just as I’ve always tried to speak to you.

Right now is one of the hardest moments in our history. Right now, Ukraine is under some of the heaviest pressure yet. Right now, Ukraine may find itself facing a very tough choice. Either the loss of our dignity or the risk of losing a key partner. Either the difficult 28 points, or an extremely hard winter – the hardest yet – and the dangers that follow. A life without freedom, without dignity, without justice. And that we trust someone who has already attacked us twice.

They will expect an answer from us. Though the truth is, I already gave that answer. On May 20, 2019, when taking an oath of loyalty to Ukraine, I notably said: “I, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, elected by the will of the people as President of Ukraine, pledge with all my actions to defend the sovereignty and independence of Ukraine, to uphold the rights and freedoms of its citizens, to abide by the Constitution and the laws of Ukraine, to fulfil my duties in the interests of all my compatriots, and to strengthen Ukraine’s standing in the world.”

For me, this is not a protocol formality to check off – it is an oath. And every day, I remain true to every word of it. And I will never betray it. Ukraine’s national interest must be respected.

We’re not making loud statements. We will work calmly with the United States and with all our partners. There will be a constructive search for solutions with our main partner.

I will lay out the arguments. I will persuade. I will offer alternatives. But one thing is certain: we will not give the enemy reasons to claim that Ukraine doesn’t want peace, that it is sabotaging the process, and that it is Ukraine that is not ready for diplomacy. That will not happen.

Ukraine will work fast. Today, on Saturday and Sunday, all next week, and for as long as it takes – 24/7 – I will fight to ensure that, among all the points of the plan, at least two are not overlooked: these are the dignity and freedom of Ukrainians. Because everything else rests on this – our sovereignty, our independence, our land, our people. And Ukraine’s future.

We will – and must – do everything so that, as a result, the war ends, but Ukraine does not end, Europe does not end, nor does global peace.

I’ve just spoken with Europeans. We count on our European friends who fully understand that Russia is not somewhere far away – it’s right next to the EU’s borders, that Ukraine today is the only shield separating comfortable European life from Putin’s plans. We remember: Europe stood with us. We believe: Europe will stand with us.

Ukraine must not live through a déjà vu of February 24, when we felt alone, when no one could stop Russia except our heroic people, who stood like a wall against Putin’s army.

And of course it was nice to hear the world say: Ukrainians are incredible; God, how they, Ukrainians, fight; how Ukrainians stand; what titans they are. And it’s true. Absolutely. But Europe and the whole world must also understand another truth: Ukrainians are, first of all, human beings. And for almost four years of full-scale invasion, we have been holding back one of the largest armies on Earth. And we are holding a frontline stretching thousands of kilometers. And our people endure nightly shelling, missile attacks, ballistic missile strikes, and "shahed" strikes. And every day, our people lose their loved ones. And our people desperately want this war to end. Yes, we are made of steel. But any metal, even the strongest, can give way.

Remember this. Stand with Ukraine. Stand with our people – and that means stay with dignity and freedom.“
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20967 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 4:30 pm to
Trump wanted Europe to use the seized Russian assets to buy a bunch of American weapons for Ukraine. That didn't happen. Instead, Ukraine has been negotiating deals with France and Sweden. Trump is telling Europe that, if they don't want to pony up for a bunch of American weapons, that he's not interested in helping with their security.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15666 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 5:02 pm to
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Weren't you just caught inventing fake people to impress people you don't know on a message board within the past 2-3 days?


Nope except in your imagination and TXfag's
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
19963 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 5:23 pm to
You know US Intel leaked the 100 million theft of "zelensky's inner circle". We know where the billions went that he stole as well. That was just a shot over the bow.

Imagine how the Ukranian people will feel mr. zelensky when we reveal money that should have been spent to prevent the slaughter of innocents....was spent buying real estate all over the world and binge shopping in Paris.

Let that leak and then announce we are pulling all intel helping you target sites, any financial support. We cant condone supporting someone that should be on trial for human rights violations against his own people.

Then let nuland toss out some donuts and a noose.....
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 6:30 pm to
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imagination


That's where all your friends live

Heard It's next to the farm parents send dogs to when they get old
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 6:31 pm to
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Imagine how the Ukranian people will feel mr. zelensky when we reveal money that should have been spent to prevent the slaughter of innocents....was spent buying real estate all over the world and binge shopping in Paris


Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 6:50 pm to
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