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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.
Posted on 11/20/25 at 11:26 pm to Lee B
Posted on 11/20/25 at 11:26 pm to Lee B
Accepted by "top Ukrainian Officials,' you say!!! That seals it!!!
Close down the thread. It's over!
(poor little Marco... this stuff will haunt him)
Close down the thread. It's over!
(poor little Marco... this stuff will haunt him)
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Posted on 11/20/25 at 11:37 pm to Lee B
Ain't going to happen.
Posted on 11/20/25 at 11:42 pm to cypher
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Read in full: Trump and Putin’s 28-point peace plan for Ukraine
How long has Witkoff been blowing Putin?
Posted on 11/20/25 at 11:43 pm to cypher
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This post was edited on 11/20/25 at 11:44 pm
Posted on 11/21/25 at 3:12 am to Auburn1968
Posted on 11/21/25 at 5:49 am to TutHillTiger
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Technically this is an act of war against NATO and the USA
The nuke guy is back. This might legitimately be Lindsay Graham.
Posted on 11/21/25 at 5:52 am to Leopold
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Not when the pace you are taking land at means that the invading force will take over two and half centuries to complete it's conquest
Unless you think it will actually take that long, this is a bad talking point to keep repeating and I see it a lot on here.
Russia will either be able to continue going at the pace they are going until Ukraine eventually collapses, or they tap out before then, or Ukraine taps out before then. There is no scenario where it actually takes 200 years. We had months long WW1 battles where the lines essentially didn't move until it was over. It's not really indicative of anything other than the price Russia is paying (which they have been willing to pay in every even somewhat recent conflict they've been in).
Posted on 11/21/25 at 5:53 am to Leopold
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but I'd be more than willing to place a bet that at least 90% of these jets show up
I would take that bet
Posted on 11/21/25 at 5:54 am to Lee B
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Same goes for Ukraine!!!
The country that doesn't have any other option?
Posted on 11/21/25 at 6:00 am to Lee B
Ukraine majority agreed to a similar set or points before. It's the ones they haven't agreed to that would be the kicker.
Posted on 11/21/25 at 6:31 am to cypher
Bodies of woman and two children recovered from rubble in Ternopil, bringing death toll to 31 – photos, video
VALENTYNA ROMANENKO — 21 November, 12:19
A priest prays at the site of the attack.
Photo: State Emergency Service of Ukraine
The number of people killed in the Russian strike on Ternopil on 19 November has risen to 31, after rescue workers recovered three more bodies.
Source: National Police of Ukraine; State Emergency Service (SES); Ukrainian public broadcaster Suspilne
Details: As of 12:00 on 21 November, rescue workers have retrieved the bodies of three more people from the rubble of the destroyed building – a woman and two children.
The death toll now stands at 31, including 6 children. A total of 94 people have been injured, among them 18 children.
According to Serhii Ziubanenko, Head of the National Police in Ternopil Oblast, quoted by Suspilne, the people whose bodies were found today were a mother and her two children, aged 5 and 18 months. The children's father identified the bodies.
As of now, 13 people are considered missing, the State Emergency Service said.
Ukrainska Pravda
VALENTYNA ROMANENKO — 21 November, 12:19
A priest prays at the site of the attack.
Photo: State Emergency Service of Ukraine
The number of people killed in the Russian strike on Ternopil on 19 November has risen to 31, after rescue workers recovered three more bodies.
Source: National Police of Ukraine; State Emergency Service (SES); Ukrainian public broadcaster Suspilne
Details: As of 12:00 on 21 November, rescue workers have retrieved the bodies of three more people from the rubble of the destroyed building – a woman and two children.
The death toll now stands at 31, including 6 children. A total of 94 people have been injured, among them 18 children.
According to Serhii Ziubanenko, Head of the National Police in Ternopil Oblast, quoted by Suspilne, the people whose bodies were found today were a mother and her two children, aged 5 and 18 months. The children's father identified the bodies.
As of now, 13 people are considered missing, the State Emergency Service said.
Ukrainska Pravda
Posted on 11/21/25 at 6:39 am to cypher
Witkoff and Dmitriev have repackaged the same set of Kremlin demands that were rejected by Zelenskyy and Trump on two occasions previously. In fact, this set of demands was the reason the Budapest meeting was cancelled.
The strategy this time is to get Trump to qickly sign off on it, thus making it fait accompli and putting great pressure on Kyiv and the Europeans to agree to it sight unseen.
To do this, Dmitriev leaked the document to 'Axios' via a Kremlin-friendly journalist, Barak Ravid.. In a series of 'exclusive' articles, Ravid claimed that:
1.) 'the US' [not just Witkoff] "was secretly drafting a new plan to end the Ukraine war";
2.) the " 'Trump plan' [which Trump had never seen] asks Ukraine to cede additional territory for security guarantee";
3.) published "Trump's full 28-point Ukraine-Russia peace plan" [again, which Trump had never seen]; and
4.) published that the "Trump peace plan for Ukraine includes NATO-style security guarantee".
None of these articles was based on any verifyable truth. Just one conjecture after another, all framed as 'secret information'.
Shortly afterwards, a useful idiot, Caitlin Doornbos ran this:
Which of course is completely untrue. But because of the current Energy Ministry scandal in Ukraine, the Russians believed Zelenskyy and his entire government and military would be under pressure to agree to this 'plan'. Yes, they actually believed that.
This whole mess is a classic Kremlin operation, which means it is layered in purposeful confusion. So, to cut through all of this, let's consider Michael Weiss:
The strategy this time is to get Trump to qickly sign off on it, thus making it fait accompli and putting great pressure on Kyiv and the Europeans to agree to it sight unseen.
To do this, Dmitriev leaked the document to 'Axios' via a Kremlin-friendly journalist, Barak Ravid.. In a series of 'exclusive' articles, Ravid claimed that:
1.) 'the US' [not just Witkoff] "was secretly drafting a new plan to end the Ukraine war";
2.) the " 'Trump plan' [which Trump had never seen] asks Ukraine to cede additional territory for security guarantee";
3.) published "Trump's full 28-point Ukraine-Russia peace plan" [again, which Trump had never seen]; and
4.) published that the "Trump peace plan for Ukraine includes NATO-style security guarantee".
None of these articles was based on any verifyable truth. Just one conjecture after another, all framed as 'secret information'.
Shortly afterwards, a useful idiot, Caitlin Doornbos ran this:
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EXCLUSIVE: I've confirmed details of the 28-point peace plan proposed by the US w/input from Russia & Ukraine. Senior US officials say Ukraine's Rustem Umerov gave initial approval — and that Kyiv insisted on adding a provision that would give amnesty to both Russia and Ukraine.
"The plan was drawn up immediately following [Witkoff's] discussions with one of the most senior members of Zelensky administration, Umerov. Umarov agreed to the majority of this plan, and he made several modifications to it, which we included and presented it to President Zelensky," a senior US official told me.
Which of course is completely untrue. But because of the current Energy Ministry scandal in Ukraine, the Russians believed Zelenskyy and his entire government and military would be under pressure to agree to this 'plan'. Yes, they actually believed that.
This whole mess is a classic Kremlin operation, which means it is layered in purposeful confusion. So, to cut through all of this, let's consider Michael Weiss:
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Several things can be true at the same time:
1. Witkoff and Dmitriev cooked up a Kremlin wish-list to show the Ukrainians, and Dmitriev got feisty and leaked it prematurely to make it manifest, sensing Zelensky was too weak to say "no."
2. Trump told Witkoff, "Great job, Steve, keep it up, I'm with you all the way," without knowing the full details or anticipating what a shite show would ensue or appreciating just how unworkable this thing is. (He may have even been encouraged by Kushner in this respect; Jared believing he's Kissinger after Gaza.)
3. There is now a mad dash to accelerate a "framework" or "draft" or "living document" or "blueprint" written in invisible ink into a codified peace plan before Santa comes down the chimney because everyone with two IQ points in the administration and on the Hill is trying to find out just what the frick is going on and how to stop it.
4. The Europeans are getting ready to visit "Daddy" again to talk some sense into him.
5. Official Moscow is hanging fire, waiting to see what happens now that Kirill has tossed a grenade into the works.
6. Rubio is hanging fire, waiting to see what happens now that Dim Philby has stepped on his own crank again.
7. This all ends in tears.
8. We'll do it all over again in three months.
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 6:58 am to Coeur du Tigre
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Rustem Umerov @rustem_umerov
While work with the U.S. delegation continues in Kyiv, various assumptions about the content of the consultations are appearing in the public space. I want to briefly clarify this.
During my visit to the United States, my role was technical — organizing meetings and preparing the dialogue. I provided no assessments or, even more so, approvals of any points. This is not within my authority and does not correspond to the procedure.
Yesterday, a conversation took place between the President of Ukraine and the U.S. delegation [Witkoff] authorized by President Trump. Today, this work continues in Kyiv at the technical level between the teams.
We are carefully reviewing all proposals from our partners and expect the same respectful approach to Ukraine’s position.
Media reports about alleged “approvals” or “removal of points” have nothing to do with reality. These are examples of unverified information that arose outside the context of the consultations.
We are thoroughly working through our partners’ proposals within Ukraine’s unchanging principles — sovereignty, the safety of our people, and a just peace.
He may be associated with those that are guilty of corruption - that's up to a court to decide - but seeing that the Russians are on full blast trying to bring him down tells us a lot.
Posted on 11/21/25 at 7:07 am to Coeur du Tigre
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If tweet fails to load, click here. JD, that ship sailed a long time ago. Check your Internet, not the Breitbart script.
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Ostap Yarysh @OstapYarysh · 19h
Perhaps this is why, Mr. Vice President.
Just in the last four days -
Posted on 11/21/25 at 7:11 am to Coeur du Tigre
It's official... they're really worried about the April election there. Putin pulling all the strings attached to Pedo Boy.
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 8:24 am to Coeur du Tigre
I don't see JD as the front runner for 2028. He really is a lightweight politically. IMO, he was the bone thrown to Silicon Valley for campaign funding. Silicon Valley got him instead of their first choice, Desantis. Desantis was an epic failure of campaign roll out. David Sacks was not a good puppet master, being obvious about it with Desantis' foreign policy.
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 8:29 am to cypher
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US threatening to cut intelligence, weapons to pressure Ukraine into new peace deal, Reuters reports.
Great news if true
Posted on 11/21/25 at 8:33 am to GOP_Tiger
Your buddy Supreme General Kellogg is out of the administration
Bye bye
Bye bye
Posted on 11/21/25 at 8:59 am to cypher
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Read in full: Trump and Putin’s 28-point peace plan for Ukraine
Peace in our time!
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