re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

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Nah, none of the above.

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He doesn't understand that the point originally made is that wooden crates are used and no pallets by Russia. A box of lettuce is not the same as one wooden crate per one artillery shell. The point is also that ammo moved from the factory is not palletized.

When I go to a WalMart and see employees moving pallets around with pallet jacks it's pretty obvious that WalMart uses pallets.

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The movie did a good job of demonstrating what a Russian "Meat Wave" attack really looks like. In WW2, Russia was able to overwhelm the Germans through sheer numbers.


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There is an endless supply of video from this war. I have seen almost no evidence of Russia employing overwhelming attacks. When you see video of close combat, it's not 300 guys storming the trenches; it's usually a small number (10) of troops. Russia appears to have abandoned its traditional strategy of quantity vs. quality. And that is one of the reasons they are under performing, their military has no real history of success with small unit action which is the exact way they are fighting this war.


Based on some stuff I've been reading after the Stalingrad discussion yesterday, that was never really their strategy.

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“The Red Army’s attacks were often reckless, but not the suicidal human waves imagined by German soldiers. Soviet artillery preparation and tank support were central to every offensive once the front stabilized.”
Beevor, Stalingrad, p. 201


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“The notion of Soviet ‘human wave attacks’ is a Western myth born of misunderstanding. Soviet doctrine emphasized artillery preparation, surprise, and maneuver. When these failed, attacks appeared as mass charges, but that was not their design.”
— Glantz, When Titans Clashed, p. 228–229


A lot of that makes sense. Would the Russians really have had enough people to just send them in waves at the Germans, and still be able to push all the way to Berlin? I'd say its unlikely.

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I can see this being a US misinterpretation, based on historical Russian tactics (they did just throw waves of peasants at invaders at points in history).

The US was a bit freaked out by the Japanese... the kamikaze attacks... that goes against something in our psyche, as the world's premier Individualists... American heroes will sacrifice themselves to save others in an extreme situation... but we're not a suicide attack culture, are we?

I've read things that directly say that we were trying to figure out how the deal with the Japanese death cult, then we looked at Stalingrad and said "oh shite, we've got the same problem with these people..." So we framed it that way

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I can see this being a US misinterpretation, based on historical Russian tactics (they did just throw waves of peasants at invaders at points in history).

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Yeah its some of that and some propaganda from the Germans that we bought for whatever reason.

Not that they particularly cared much about losing your average Soviet grunt, it just wasn't *quite* as careless as people like to believe. But thats what you get when you use a mostly fictional movie to learn about history.

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I'll bet a Whataburger Cobb salad with chicken on the latter...

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WITH chicken? Those are some high stakes.

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There are pallets in every major aisle for every dept.

Try harder.

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I showed you photo proof in addition to accounts from employees and an article on how they were changing the setup.

Nice anecdotal evidence (from a known liar) from your local Wal-Mart though.

Cry harder. Maybe not as hard as you did when your fake technology failed.

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Yeah its some of that and some propaganda from the Germans that we bought for whatever reason.

Not that they particularly cared much about losing your average Soviet grunt, it just wasn't *quite* as careless as people like to believe. But thats what you get when you use a mostly fictional movie to learn about history.

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If you were an adult Russian man or woman in reasonable shape, you were now a Russian troop. That's not how German military culture worked, at all, so I can see them thinking that was nuts.

I've seen explanations of the German WWII tactics in invading countries and how they swept through Europe... they'd have a two or three-pronged attack, get behind the defensive lines and force a surrender, usually pretty quickly.

That didn't work in Russia, because the entire country was essentially in the military... they were never behind the defensive lines, because... there were no defensive "lines," all of Russia was a giant defensive block. Capturing or defeating lots of Russian troops couldn't force a surrender. That meant the Germans had to try to disrupt Russian national supply lines (control of the Volga River at Stalingrad would've choked off a lot of stuff)... and ironically, NAZI logistics and supply lines for the effort to disrupt Russian supply lines sucked and screwed them.

the number of Russian deaths, military and civilian (the latter meaning children and elderly people) in WWII is simply astounding:

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mention “trade” a couple of times

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Gotta throw in at least a half dozen uses of "deal".

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If we can send every Cobb salad to Ukraine we can stop the Russian spread

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I bet we have a poster or two who would go full Rambo on the Russians if we told them they were poking fun at Whataburger Cobb Salads. War would be over within a week.

I did read where Russia emptied the prisons and used those “soldiers” in meat waves.