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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 11:04 pm to Chromdome35
Posted on 10/15/25 at 11:04 pm to Chromdome35
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Your math is wrong
2.5km per month = .052 miles per day
275 feet per day.
What about number of dead Russians per square kilometer of even square meter?
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Posted on 10/16/25 at 4:32 am to CitizenK
Trump plans victory fund for Ukraine
The Telegraph
In other words, President Trump is proposing a bargain to our European allies that goes something like this: "We'll join you fully in ensuring that Russia loses its war against Ukraine, if you are willing to join us fully in opposing China."
The Telegraph
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Donald Trump is working on establishing a Ukraine victory fund which will be bankrolled by fresh tariffs on China.
The US president instructed Scott Bessent, his treasury secretary, to float the plan to European counterparts ahead of Volodymyr Zelensky’s visit to Washington DC on Friday.
Mr Trump, who previously claimed Mr Zelensky did not “hold the cards” for a military victory, is increasingly losing patience with Vladimir Putin, and his proposal for a Ukraine war shift marks a significant change in his position.
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The strategy would introduce a 500 per cent levy on imports from China, with the money generated being used on weapons for Ukraine’s military.
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Without naming the weapon, Mr Hegseth signalled Washington was ready to deliver the “firepower” needed for Ukraine to achieve “peace through strength”.
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"If we must take this step, the US War Department stands ready to do our part in ways that only the United States can do.”
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The US previously hit India with an extra 25 per cent on top of trade tariffs because of its purchase of Russian oil.
On Wednesday, Mr Trump said Narendra Modi, the Indian prime minister, had assured him the country would stop buying fossil fuels from Moscow, a key revenue source for Putin.
“That’s a big stop. Now we’ve got to get China to do the same thing,” the US president added.
In other words, President Trump is proposing a bargain to our European allies that goes something like this: "We'll join you fully in ensuring that Russia loses its war against Ukraine, if you are willing to join us fully in opposing China."
Posted on 10/16/25 at 6:48 am to LSURussian
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In July, 1942??
According to some sources, yes.
Definitely by late 1942, when the Soviet counteroffensive (depicted in the movie) began.
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Richard Overy – Russia’s War (1997)
By the summer of 1942, Soviet industry was producing roughly 7,000 rifles a day, enough to supply new recruits.
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“The image of one rifle between two men belongs to the chaos of 1941. By the time of Stalingrad, the Red Army had re-equipped itself in astounding quantities.”
Antony Beevor, Stalingrad, p. 69
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“By the time of the Stalingrad counteroffensive, most rifle divisions were fully equipped with small arms, and Soviet arms production was exceeding that of Germany in several key categories.”
David Glantz, Armageddon in Stalingrad, p. 104–106
Posted on 10/16/25 at 6:59 am to Leopold
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Putin is smart enough to know that logistics and resources win wars. It's believed by many that the single biggest indicator of who would win in a force-on-force war is a country's GDP.
We are talking past each other here. I was focusing more on any future wars. The piece I quoted is obviously generally true. In the current conflict it may be a bit less so for a couple of reasons:
1) GDP advantage likely means you also have a population advantage. Russia does in this conflict.
2) The GDP advantage is more indirect in this war because the ones with the advantage aren't actually fighting it. US and early in the war EU support hasn't always been consistent. If they were directly involved in fighting, it would be all hands on deck. Also at some point the advantage we are giving Ukraine just won't matter because they will have to make personnel assignment choices based on lack of numbers.
All of that to say, NATO's GDP advantage over Russia doesn't matter if Russia doesn't end up in a war with NATO, and I don't think Russia wants that because they aren't suicidal.
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Okay, well, I'm an actual military analysist and while I understand why donkeys would work if you have nothing else it's not exactly ideal in a world of trucks, rail, planes, and anything with an engine.
It actually just comes down to the very simple math of "a truck, train, or plane costs way more than a donkey does".
General Patton didn't know anything about drones.
It absolutely at least partly is about them just not having enough vehicles to use. Its also not a bad tactic in certain situations based on the cost of a donkey vs the cost of a drone being either a deterrent or at the very least you just got Ukraine to waste something more valuable than what they destroyed. That to me seems kind of obvious.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 6:59 am to GOP_Tiger
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which will be bankrolled by fresh tariffs on China.
So, bankrolled by the American consumer ultimately
Posted on 10/16/25 at 7:06 am to CitizenK
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Now they might use 20 and 40 foot containers but still loaded by hand
Walmart still largely loads and unloads by hand for anything that isn't groceries or perishable. Groceries and perishables are palletized.
Its not optimal, but its also disingenuous to act like they are stuck in the 1920s when a wildly successful company with an almost trillion dollar market cap also still does it. There is obviously some cost savings there even if its inefficient (and we know Russia needs cost savings).
Posted on 10/16/25 at 7:09 am to Chromdome35
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The movie did a good job of demonstrating what a Russian "Meat Wave" attack really looks like. In WW2, Russia was able to overwhelm the Germans through sheer numbers.
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There is an endless supply of video from this war. I have seen almost no evidence of Russia employing overwhelming attacks. When you see video of close combat, it's not 300 guys storming the trenches; it's usually a small number (10) of troops. Russia appears to have abandoned its traditional strategy of quantity vs. quality. And that is one of the reasons they are under performing, their military has no real history of success with small unit action which is the exact way they are fighting this war.
Based on some stuff I've been reading after the Stalingrad discussion yesterday, that was never really their strategy.
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“The Red Army’s attacks were often reckless, but not the suicidal human waves imagined by German soldiers. Soviet artillery preparation and tank support were central to every offensive once the front stabilized.”
Beevor, Stalingrad, p. 201
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“The notion of Soviet ‘human wave attacks’ is a Western myth born of misunderstanding. Soviet doctrine emphasized artillery preparation, surprise, and maneuver. When these failed, attacks appeared as mass charges, but that was not their design.”
— Glantz, When Titans Clashed, p. 228–229
A lot of that makes sense. Would the Russians really have had enough people to just send them in waves at the Germans, and still be able to push all the way to Berlin? I'd say its unlikely.
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Posted on 10/16/25 at 7:09 am to cypher
Ukrainian forces strike Saratov oil refinery overnight
Ukrainian forces struck the Saratov oil refinery on the night of October 15-16.
The General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces said this in a Facebook post seen by Ukrinform.
The Saratov refinery is one of Russia's oldest oil-processing facilities. As of 2023, it processed 4.8 million tonnes of crude oil annually. The plant is involved in supplying fuel for the Russian armed forces.
Ukrainian forces struck the Saratov oil refinery on the night of October 15-16.
The General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces said this in a Facebook post seen by Ukrinform.
The Saratov refinery is one of Russia's oldest oil-processing facilities. As of 2023, it processed 4.8 million tonnes of crude oil annually. The plant is involved in supplying fuel for the Russian armed forces.
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 10/16/25 at 7:12 am to cypher
Air Force spokesperson shares details of Russia's overnight attack on Ukraine's energy infrastructure
16.10.2025 14:37
On the night of October 15-16, Russia carried out another combined strike targeting Ukraine's energy infrastructure, particularly facilities in the gas sector.
Yurii Ihnat, a spokesperson for the Ukrainian Air Force Command, announced this on Ukrainian television, according to Ukrinform.
"The main focus of the strike was on our energy system – this time, it was the gas sector. The enemy targeted gas extraction sites and distribution stations. Once again, Russia has demonstrated its intention to deprive us of energy and heat during the autumn and winter period," Ihnat said.
He recalled that similar attacks were carried out around the same time in previous years, striking facilities in the Poltava, Kharkiv, and western regions of Ukraine.
"This attack was distinctive because, in addition to 320 strike UAVs, including Shahed, Geran, and other types, the enemy launched 37 missiles. Most of them were ballistic missiles: 28 missiles followed ballistic trajectories, including two Kinzhal and 26 Iskander-M missiles," Ihnat said.
Ukrinform
16.10.2025 14:37
On the night of October 15-16, Russia carried out another combined strike targeting Ukraine's energy infrastructure, particularly facilities in the gas sector.
Yurii Ihnat, a spokesperson for the Ukrainian Air Force Command, announced this on Ukrainian television, according to Ukrinform.
"The main focus of the strike was on our energy system – this time, it was the gas sector. The enemy targeted gas extraction sites and distribution stations. Once again, Russia has demonstrated its intention to deprive us of energy and heat during the autumn and winter period," Ihnat said.
He recalled that similar attacks were carried out around the same time in previous years, striking facilities in the Poltava, Kharkiv, and western regions of Ukraine.
"This attack was distinctive because, in addition to 320 strike UAVs, including Shahed, Geran, and other types, the enemy launched 37 missiles. Most of them were ballistic missiles: 28 missiles followed ballistic trajectories, including two Kinzhal and 26 Iskander-M missiles," Ihnat said.
Ukrinform
Posted on 10/16/25 at 8:21 am to cypher
Posted on 10/16/25 at 8:46 am to VolSquatch
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Its not optimal, but its also disingenuous to act like they are stuck in the 1920s when a wildly successful company with an almost trillion dollar market cap also still does it. There is obviously some cost savings there even if its inefficient (and we know Russia needs cost savings).
Wrong, they dump crates, of a size for a man to carry, from trains to the side of the track into piles. These are then loaded BY HAND one by one onto trucks.
Your Walmart comparison is way offbase. That would be the same as issuing at the front to squads.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 8:50 am to CitizenK
Cant argue with someone who thinks they know everything. TD needs a mute function
Posted on 10/16/25 at 9:02 am to VolSquatch
Gen Zhukov admitted that Russia marched units through minefields to explode the mines.
It's not just making rifles, but everything else that goes with a modern army by WWII standards. The Russian locomotive factories pretty much stopped making locomotives during WWII, instead these were provided by the USA.
Even Zhukov admitted that without the aid of the USA, Russia would not have beaten Germany back on the Eastern Front.
A lot of written history was corrected in the 1990's when for several years Russia opened its archives to western historians. A major change is that Hitler was influenced by his generals, not how the German generals described it post WWII. They were tried to look like they were forced into bad decisions.
The WWII museum in New Orleans has some excellent lectures from historians available online. Some of these historians have researched in the Kremlin's archives and not just the covering their asses German generals have written.
It's not just making rifles, but everything else that goes with a modern army by WWII standards. The Russian locomotive factories pretty much stopped making locomotives during WWII, instead these were provided by the USA.
Even Zhukov admitted that without the aid of the USA, Russia would not have beaten Germany back on the Eastern Front.
A lot of written history was corrected in the 1990's when for several years Russia opened its archives to western historians. A major change is that Hitler was influenced by his generals, not how the German generals described it post WWII. They were tried to look like they were forced into bad decisions.
The WWII museum in New Orleans has some excellent lectures from historians available online. Some of these historians have researched in the Kremlin's archives and not just the covering their asses German generals have written.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 9:13 am to CitizenK
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Even Zhukov admitted that without the aid of the USA, Russia would not have beaten Germany back on the Eastern Front.
This is kind of obvious. If Germany were able to focus on one front the war very well could have gone differently. Due to the "market inefficiencies" of the German command structure I think they still probably lose eventually, but who knows how long that would have taken or what it would have cost.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 9:22 am to VolSquatch
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Cant argue with someone who thinks they know everything. TD needs a mute function
Glad that you know that Walmart hand unloads at its distribution centers, hand stacks them onto shelves (instead of pallet racks). Walmart then hand loads 18 wheelers to ship to its stores. No forklifts or pallets used. Everything carried and stacked by hand.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 9:33 am to VolSquatch
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This is kind of obvious. If Germany were able to focus on one front the war very well could have gone differently.
Zhukov's point was about supplies, including manufacturing, tanks, trains, trucks, fuel, refineries and even crude oil. Russia was not any sort of oil production giant back then.
An army with a 4,000 rifles per day is a meat army
Posted on 10/16/25 at 9:51 am to VolSquatch
It's odd you provide a link which shows a Walmart truck being unloaded in an orderly fashion but you post a photo of a jumbled mess in a truck that's not in the link?
Your photo:
The actual photo in the link you provided:
Your photo:
The actual photo in the link you provided:
Posted on 10/16/25 at 9:54 am to LSURussian
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It's odd you provide a link which shows a Walmart truck being unloaded in an orderly fashion but you post a photo of a jumbled mess in a truck that's not in the link?
And both are being unloaded by hand, which is the main point of the discussion. Glad I could get you caught up.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 10:04 am to VolSquatch
quote:Nah, your photo doesn't show anyone unloading the truck. Or, loading the truck.
And both are being unloaded by hand,
From the photo it's not possible to positively identify if it's even a Walmart delivery truck since there is no link to it.
Maybe you can provide a link to the actual photo you posted?
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