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Posted on 10/8/25 at 12:03 pm to
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 10/8/25 at 12:03 pm to
How do you say "Ukraine is Cooked" in the Russian language?


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Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 10/8/25 at 12:05 pm to
1 Russian Soldier takes out 5 Ukrainian Soldiers






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Posted by cypher
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Posted on 10/8/25 at 12:20 pm to
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 10/8/25 at 12:32 pm to
Zelensky showing the world his version of Democracy and Religious Freedom


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Posted by LARancher1991
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Posted on 10/8/25 at 12:36 pm to
Yea that's dumb but lets not pretend that this also hasn't happened the other way as well. Also where are we on Kupiansk falling? None of the maps I look at must be updating cause I have seen no change.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 10/8/25 at 12:38 pm to
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Another day, another Russian pipeline pumping station hit. It's hard to manage a war like this...
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 10/8/25 at 12:39 pm to
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Massive fire at electronics and microchip factory in Novosibirsk


I worked in the city of Novosibirsk, which means "New Siberia," for two weeks. (In January, no less. The highest temperature while I was there was -8 degrees Fahrenheit.)

Most people don't know that Novosibirsk was a "secret city" during the USSR days. It wasn't on any maps and had its own border patrol. The people, which included Russian citizens, allowed to enter or leave the city had to have special "visas" to pass through the secret police checkpoints.

That's because Novosibirsk was a government created city which housed Russia's main scientific research universities and companies. It's where the main work was done developing their nuclear weapons and also their chemical and biological warfare weapons.

I was told when I was there by a long-time resident of Novosibirsk that someone could be arrested for even saying the name "Novosibirsk" if they were outside of the city.

It doesn't surprise me that an electronics and micro chip manufacturer is located there.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 10/8/25 at 12:53 pm to
More video on the fire at Novosibirsk. It seems to be a long way from Ukraine -


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Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 10/8/25 at 12:57 pm to
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I know they had help, but I do not think they had any government help.



I didn't say they did have government help
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 10/8/25 at 1:11 pm to
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 10/8/25 at 2:07 pm to
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fire at Novosibirsk. It seems to be a long way from Ukraine -
It's a long way from anywhere...
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 10/8/25 at 2:27 pm to
Ukraine's SBU wiping out 100 Russians daily near Pokrovsk

October 8, 2025, 11:22 AM

Russian forces have been ordered to storm Ukrainian positions in the Pokrovsk sector at any cost, skyrocketing their losses, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said on Oct. 8, citing a report from Ukraine’s SBU Security Service head Vasyl Maliuk.

SBU Alpha Center special forces, active in Pokrovsk, Donetsk Oblast, are eliminating about 100 Russian troops daily, not counting other Defense Forces units' efforts, Zelenskyy said.

In September, the Alpha Center killed 3,028 verified enemy soldiers, he added.

Situation near Pokrovsk

On Sept. 18, Zelenskyy announced a Ukrainian counteroffensive in Donetsk Oblast, including Pokrovsk and Dobropillia. On Sept. 20, he said Ukrainian forces control 330 kilometers there, with 160 kilometers liberated and over 170 kilometers cleared of enemy forces.

On Oct. 7, the U.S.-based Institute for the Study of War reported Russia's battlefield losses at an abnormal 1:1.3 killed-to-wounded ratio, far from the typical 1:3, with the heaviest tolls in Pokrovsk, Kupyansk and Lyman sectors.

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Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 10/8/25 at 2:37 pm to
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I didn't say they did have government help


I can read, but a lot of others did.
They were backing Seymour Hersh. It was all over the PT board.
This post was edited on 10/8/25 at 3:37 pm
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 10/8/25 at 2:46 pm to
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Another day, another Russian pipeline pumping station hit.


Posted by Leopold
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Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 10/8/25 at 2:58 pm to
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That's the thing that should worry people. Right now Russian and Ukraine are the only countries that have experience fighting a true modern peer to peer conflict. The last time most other countries had experience with this was in WW2. As bad as Russia has done they are learning lessons and getting experience that other countries don't have. If they learn from it and actually change the way they do things based on it then they could actually be what people thought they were before the war with Ukrain


I see what you're getting at, but that's not true. NATO"s leadership has fought 3 force-on-force wars in the past 35 years and are combat experienced in ways the Russians still aren't. We were so successful in the force-on-force aspect of those wars that people just forget about them - it was the insurgency wars we struggled in, and I've argued to senior leadership we aren't fundamentally built to fight such wars.

But the issues run deeper. They Russians aren't learning - that's the key thing here.

The Russians haven't gotten around to learning even the basics of combined arms, or developed an NCO corps, or updated and improved their logistics, or rooted out corruption and cronyism throughout their military. They haven't improved their leadership, refined their bombing list for their stupid and cruel bombing and drone raids, or improved on their own technology. Just the opposite, they've gotten worse.

And what they have done is exposed just how corrupt, just how incompetent, just how myopic, and stupid, and lazy they are, all at a cost that I don't think anybody can truly understand.

Their infantry continues to be nothing more than 'blokes with guns.'
Their navy continues to be nothing more than sitting ducks in the water, only capable of getting off a few Kinzel missels against civilians. Again, the Russian Navy is losing to a country that doesn't have a navy.
Their Air Force STILL hasn't gotten air superiority in this war and now it's too late. The Ukrainian pilots have shown to be superior before they got F-16's and now the gap is going to get bigger. God Help the Russians if they are forced to go up against an F-35 or even a state-of-the-art Gripen.

THEY ARE USING DONKEYS FOR LOGISTICS AND HORSE CAVALRY FOR GOD'S SAKE.

NATO think tanks have apparently run the numbers of what would happen if Russia and NATO were to actually go at it and right now the kill ratio is expected to be in the area of 1000-1 in NATO's favor, and as wild as that seems they aren't crazy. What is keeping the Generals and people-in-the-know up at night isn't if we would lose, it's if that overwhelming victory happens and the Russians start to consider going nuclear just to save face. This seems extreme, but it's on the table and the Russian leadership hasn't made a single sane, smart choice once in this war.

Posted by Leopold
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Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:04 pm to
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If you're going to give them something that you feel the need to put restrictions on, you shouldn't be giving it to them in the first place.


YES. A THOUSAND FU*KING TIMES, YES.

The "Red Lines" BS has meant that Ukraine isn't fighting with one arm tied behind their backs, their fighting with both arms tied behind their backs.

When Biden left office, he lifted some of the red lines and opened up 240 damned targets for the Ukrainians to hit. What the ACTUAL frick? How were they supposed to win???

Take all the damn Red Lines out and let the Ukrainians fight. Now, however, with the Ukrainians building their own weapons they just use theirs to hit the Russian targets, but, again, people say that the Ukrainians 'can't win' when in reality we didn't let them.

This post was edited on 10/8/25 at 3:16 pm
Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
2313 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:15 pm to
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It's where at least 40% of scientific advancement in the USSR came from.


Do you have a legitimate source for that?


Here's one, from the Wilson Institute, an American Research Institution out of DC:

Ukraine Nuclear History in the USSR

I don't know if it was 40%, but from what I could find it has repeatedly been described as 'central' to the USSR's weapons program, whatever that means.


Posted by LARancher1991
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Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:19 pm to
What modern peer to peer war has NATO fought? And don't say the Gulf War cause technology has advanced so far since then it's hard to consider it modern by today's standards. You are right that Russia hasn't adapted during this war. And true they might not, doesn't change the fact that they are gaining actual experience in a real world combat situation. Whether or not they learn from it and change the way they do things is up in the air.
Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
2313 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:34 pm to
Yeah, I'm going with the Persian Gulf War because it was a 'peer' war with Iraq having the 4th largest Army in the world on the defense. But I understand why it's not 'modern' in that sense.

But understand - that goes both ways.

The weapons the Russians have used in this war are of the Persian Gulf War era. We have not seen their Felon Fighter Jet, or the T-14 Armada, or the Terminator in any real numbers, or any of their 'advanced' weaponry that kept us up at night worrying, and if they haven't shown them so far, I say they don't have them or have them, at least not in significant numbers. I might be wrong - again, the Russians might be that stupid - but the Russians can't bring up a tank from the 1960's they haven't come close to maintaining properly to use against a NATO tank built in the 1990's or 2000's with NATO required modern upgrades and call that Russian tank 'modern' or 'peer.'

As such, NATO going up against Russia will not be a 'peer' adversary in a single way. Not size, not weapons, not manufacturing capability - nothing. Even if the US decides to sit this one out, which I hope we don't do, the Europeans are in a position to crush the Russians in every possible way. They just have to get their sh!t together, and they will.

I argue the Russian experience works against them. I argue that running bodies up against under supplied Ukrainian defense positions and taking a few meters a week has taught them that you might win a war that way. Let me be clear about this:

It will not work against NATO.

They couldn't even re-take a Russian village doing this, there's no way in hell they'll take an Estonia, much less a Poland, with this nonsense. So I don't think their experience is an advantage, I think it's lulled their stupid, greedy, myopic leadership into believing it's a proper way to fight a war when it's absolutely not.
This post was edited on 10/8/25 at 4:02 pm
Posted by LARancher1991
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2015
2328 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:38 pm to
Yea I see what you are saying. I was mainly referring to their future developments and tactics based on current experience.
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