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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:44 pm to Leopold
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:44 pm to Leopold
That doesn't really help CitizenuKraine's claim, but obviously Kyiv was a key part of the USSR for a variety of reasons.
For overall "scientific advancement" though, there is essentially 0 chance it actually accounted for 40% of the USSR's output. I think people forget that a lot of science types were neutral or even favorable toward the USSR for many years. This recent iteration of Russia doesn't have that same level of ideological appeal.
For overall "scientific advancement" though, there is essentially 0 chance it actually accounted for 40% of the USSR's output. I think people forget that a lot of science types were neutral or even favorable toward the USSR for many years. This recent iteration of Russia doesn't have that same level of ideological appeal.
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Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:44 pm to Leopold
So you doubt Russia is killing 30 Ukrainians to every one Russian killed. Why?
Baron said the kill ratio was 30:1.
Baron said the kill ratio was 30:1.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:48 pm to doubleb
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So you doubt Russia is killing 30 Ukrainians to every one Russian killed. Why?
Baron said the kill ratio was 30:1.
Feel like this constantly gets brought up and is a waste of discussion at this point.
Barron was saying body exchanges were 30 to 1 at some point, and he showed numbers that backed that up.
But an advancing army is able to recover their own dead more easily, so no need for exchanges there.
Its basically two separate points. The body exchanges heavily favored Russia but don't necessarily indicate kill ratio.
Those numbers were also coming out around the same time Ukraine lost control of Kursk IIRC, which would throw the exchange numbers off even more heavily.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:54 pm to doubleb
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Baron said the kill ratio was 30:1.
Incorrect. I didn't say anything. The only verified by a independent resource (Red Cross) of actual Dead Bodies says that. I understand you prefer to believe fan fiction stories from the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense instead of Cold Hard Dead Bodies verified by the Red Cross
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Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:57 pm to VolSquatch
Yeah, 40% might be a bit high, but ya'll are making this out to be bigger than it is.
Seriously - ya'll need to get over it and move on. Neither one of you guys are trolls like a Barron or Sing, it's just gotten personal on here for no reason. Ya'll need to get over it and move on.
Barron's probably sitting in a meth lab in Vladivostok shooting up while getting blown by Sing.
YOU HEAR THAT BARRON AND SING, YOU RUSSIAN C'OCKSUCKERS?
Seriously - ya'll need to get over it and move on. Neither one of you guys are trolls like a Barron or Sing, it's just gotten personal on here for no reason. Ya'll need to get over it and move on.
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Baron said the kill ratio was 30:1.
Barron's probably sitting in a meth lab in Vladivostok shooting up while getting blown by Sing.
YOU HEAR THAT BARRON AND SING, YOU RUSSIAN C'OCKSUCKERS?
Posted on 10/8/25 at 4:00 pm to Leopold
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Yeah, 40% might be a bit high, but ya'll are making this out to be bigger than it is.
Seriously - ya'll need to get over it and move on. Neither one of you guys are trolls like a Barron or Sing, it's just gotten personal on here for no reason. Ya'll need to get over it and move on.
He said something blatantly untrue. If that were Barron, or me, or AU, what would yall be saying? I asked him for a source because I was actually curious.... if Ukraine were actually responsible for that large of a share of scientific advancement, that would be really interesting to me.
Trying to police anyone else comes off as fake (and is fake) when you don't also do so for those you generally ideologically agree with.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 4:11 pm to VolSquatch
Yeah, I understand. If you say something I think is untrue I lay out my argument and we go from there, same as AUB. But I stand by my and other's assertion that Barron is a damned troll so I'm going with my experience.
But if I come across as heavy-handed or policing, I apologize. It's not meant to be preachy.
But if I come across as heavy-handed or policing, I apologize. It's not meant to be preachy.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 4:12 pm to cypher
Posted on 10/8/25 at 4:14 pm to Leopold
You're actually not too bad about that
Posted on 10/8/25 at 4:21 pm to Leopold
I guess the only reason that JB isn't using Jackson Hinkle posts is that even though he now lives in Moscow, they are all about poor little Palestinians and China wants peace in the world
Posted on 10/8/25 at 4:31 pm to cypher
quote:Russian Central Bank calls out state asset grab. Reuters
MOSCOW, Oct 8 (Reuters) - Russia's central bank has ruled the state violated the rights of minority shareholders in some asset seizures it made in relation to its conflict in Ukraine, sources told Reuters, in a first pushback by the Russian elite on the nationalisation process.
Amid the confrontation with the West over the Ukraine conflict, tens of billions of dollars worth of assets owned by foreign investors and Russian billionaires have changed hands, mostly after being seized by the state.
But within parts of the Russian elite, there are signs of a backlash, especially among market-friendly technocrats who are credited with saving the Russian economy from collapse amid the toughest sanctions ever imposed on a major economy.
Some business executives and central bank and finance ministry officials are questioning what they see as a move to a Soviet-style command structure, with all resources mobilised towards achieving military victory in Ukraine, the sources said.
Three sources close to the central bank and the Moscow Stock Exchange told Reuters that MOEX had officially complained to the central bank over the alleged violation of the law by the government after seizing a majority stake in gold miner UGC.
SEIZING PRIVATE PROPERTY
Although the complaint did not question the seizure itself, the central bank ruled that the state had failed to make an obligatory buyout offer to shareholders in a public company and asked the state property agency to execute the offer.
"The state's actions in the UGC case are undermining the last semblance of private property rights in Russia," one source with knowledge of discussions, who spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the situation, told Reuters.
The Moscow Stock Exchange and the finance ministry declined to comment on the issue.
The source said that the state de-facto devalued the stakes of private investors who purchased shares on the open market and have no connection to the court case against the company, nor links to the previous billionaire owner Konstantin Strukov.
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"I take it that when a nationalisation of property is taking place the law does not work," Oleg Kuzmichev, a private investor in UGC shares, told Reuters.
'WHO WILL BUY SHARES AFTER THIS?'
UGC held one of the biggest initial public offerings in Russia in 2023, positioning itself as a safe-haven bet on gold in turbulent times when foreign capital fled Russia. About 10% of the company's shares are held by Russian retail investors.
"How can you convince anyone to buy shares after this? The long-term harm to the economy from such actions far exceeds the benefits from whatever billions they are seizing," the source said.
Lawyer Karim Fayzrakhmanov from Forward Legal confirmed to Reuters that a Russian law on joint-stock companies requires new holders of stakes exceeding 30% to make a buyout offer within 35 days of an ownership change with no exceptions for the state.
Russian authorities have seized assets worth around $50 billion since the start of Moscow's "special military operation" in Ukraine, including the assets of fleeing Western companies such as French food maker Danone and Danish brewer Carlsberg.
Besides the Western assets, major domestic companies have changed hands on the basis of including corruption claims, alleged privatisation violations, or poor management.
The nationalisations have marked the biggest property redistribution since the 1990s, when Soviet state assets were sold off to private investors at bargain prices. The drive to seize private property had so far met little domestic opposition.
WEIGHING ON STOCK EXCHANGE
President Vladimir Putin earlier asked regulators to ensure that more companies sell their shares on the market at a time when debt is expensive and the economy is slowing down, partly due to lack of capital for investment.
But the UGC controversy has sharpened concerns among some in Moscow about the feasibility of more companies going public.
Sergei Shvetsov, MOEX board chairman and a former first deputy governor of the central bank, expressed rare public criticism.
"The state must first and foremost follow the rules it sets. Right now, it doesn’t, especially when it comes to public companies in which it holds a stake," Shvetsov told a financial forum in Moscow.
He said that the way the Russian state handles public companies contributes to a so-called "Russian discount" that, combined with lower interest rates, is weighing on the Russian stock index, which is down about 30% since the start of 2022.
ACCELERATED SALES
However, one of the sources said, there is no budgeted money for such a buyout, while lengthy valuation and due diligence procedures are delaying privatisation of seized assets.
One possible solution would be to sell seized assets quickly, shifting the buyout offer responsibility to new owners. The sources added that a new decree by Putin on accelerated property sales should help.
The day after the decree was published, secretive copper producer UMMC emerged as the likely buyer of the seized stake in UGC, which the finance ministry is aiming to sell by the end of October for 100 billion roubles ($1.23 billion).
The central bank's first deputy chairman, Vladimir Chistyukhin, who oversees financial markets, echoed Shvetsov, warning that the current approach to property rights would deter foreign investors even after any peace in Ukraine is secured.
"It is necessary that by that time, all the disruptions we have had with a number of state decisions regarding individual corporations are resolved," he said.
Somebody better move their office to the first floor.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 4:48 pm to bigjoe1
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Russia's central bank has ruled the state violated the rights of minority shareholders
Just how tall is that central bank building and how many windows does it have?
Posted on 10/8/25 at 5:21 pm to John Barron
Posted on 10/8/25 at 5:24 pm to John Barron
Posted on 10/8/25 at 5:30 pm to John Barron
I remember when the NAFO Trolls and Biden told us the Ruble was going to turn to Rubble 
Anyday now....
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DAMNIT BARRON
STOP POSTING ABOUT ATTACKING CIVILIANS, IT JUST PISSES PEOPLE OFF
Dude, just go back to how the Russians were able to capture a stop sign at a loss of only 10,000 soldiers.
STOP POSTING ABOUT ATTACKING CIVILIANS, IT JUST PISSES PEOPLE OFF
Dude, just go back to how the Russians were able to capture a stop sign at a loss of only 10,000 soldiers.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 5:38 pm to John Barron
An oil depot where there is no refinery to process it? Interesting
Posted on 10/8/25 at 5:46 pm to John Barron
That article is five months old. I suspect things have changed a lot since Ukraine has devestated a large portion of Russia’s oil and gas business.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 5:48 pm to John Barron
Oh so now it’s 22:1. I apologize.
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