re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Deliberation Day 3: Reported Jury is done deliberating for the day

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At this point, my big question is whether he can issue a directed verdict or JNOV if the jury is hung. I would guess the answer is no. Even if the answer is yes I don't think he will have the stones to do it.

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This judge has a loud bark, but in the end he’s let the prosecution trample all over the defendant’s constitutional rights, without penalty.

He’s clearly intent on “not being part of the story”. Unfortunately, he’s abdicated his responsibility to such a degree, he’s now become a main part of the story.

Another option for the judge is he can issue a restraining order of 3 blocks or so to prevent harassment and intimidation of the court. The city would have to barricade off the area and manage the barricade.

He can then also tell the jury to go back to work. We were deadlocked 11-1 on the murder trial I was on. We went out to see the judge three times to say we were deadlocked. Twice, he told us to suck it up and continue deliberations. On the third trip out to tell the judge we were deadlocked, our foreman asked if we could consider a lesser finding. The judge told us, basically, yes. His instructions to the jury were not initially clear on that. Once we had that, we dropped to 2nd degree murder and went to 12-0.

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I want to tell you a story. I'm going to ask you all to close your eyes while I tell you the story. I want you to listen to me. I want you to listen to yourselves. Go ahead. Close your eyes, please. Now, imagine Kyle is black.

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Facing a murder rap in front of a jury? Being black would have decreased his odds. There isn't a single actual metric whereby blacks in America are treated more favorably than whites in the criminal system.

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though he definitely violated the curfew at a minimum

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He did not.

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Facing a murder rap in front of a jury? Being black would have decreased his odds. There isn't a single actual metric whereby blacks in America are treated more favorably than whites in the criminal system.

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Just pure nonsense. Committing more crimes and earning more convictions doesn't equate to "not treated fairly."

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He did not.

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Right? Imagine still arguing charges that were dismissed by the court.

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walking around at a riot with an AR

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is constitutionally protected, and not the same as

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taking the law into your own hands

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Let me help. Taking law in to his own hands would be things like engaging people who are committing criminal acts, like a cop, to get the criminal activity to stop.

Kyle was NOT doing that. So your “take law in to your own hands” argument is garbage.

Self defense is not taking law in to your own hands.

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My point is that he may not have broken any laws (though he definitely violated the curfew at a minimum), he could have easily stayed away from trouble by not going.

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Sure he would not be on trial right now if he didn't go. But that doesn't necessarily mean he shouldn't have gone. This is the point where you seem to part with most in this thread.

In the aggregate if we all just keep our heads down and "stay away from trouble" do you really think those intent on literally and figuratively destroying this country are going to magically stop? I don't. History is full of individuals and the citizen-at-large doing what is necessary and right when the government fails to do so.

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If you are walking around at a riot with an AR (legally or not) hoping to deter violence (why else would he have it?), you are taking the law into your own hands.

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What the hell are you talking about? What does "taking the law into your own hands" mean to you? Is doing something that's perfectly legal "taking the law into your own hands"? Is driving the speed limit included in that?

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If you exercise self-defense, you are also taking the law into your own hands

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Your logic is so all over the place. "Taking the law into your hands" = a non-law enforcement person taking the role of law enforcement. Self defense is not enforcing a law, dumbass.

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though he definitely violated the curfew at a minimum

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you have the burden of proof on that one. Notice the curfew was mostly absent from the entire case. So ask yourself, why did the prosecution glaze over it?.. hint... the curfew may have been unconstitutional in the first place.

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he could have easily stayed away from trouble by not going.

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I certainly don't want my teenage son going into harms way and likely would have advised him not to go, but the bedrock of our country is built upon doing the right thing despite the dangers presented to us.